Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 "Vidura Priya (das) (Dallas TX - US)" wrote: > Hare Krishna > PAMHO, AGTSP > Prabhuji, calling those disciples of Srila Prabhupada as "immature > brahmcharis" is bit too much. Extrapolating that a specific instruction for a specific devotee is meant to be generalized is what is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 > According to Prabhupada, a good grhasta is as good as a good brahmacari > (if by "good" you mean "following") by "good" I meant one who is following the principles. > >I guess one's guru is in a better position to decide on that. > > Is that necessarily true? Do you mean that we need to wait for our gurus > to tell us if we should or should not get married? I thought at least > sannyasis (which is by far the most common asrama among ISKCON gurus) > shouldn't get too involved in householder issues. I know some ISKCON > gurus delegate that responsibility to senior grhastas. Then again it's Guru who is delegating that responsibility to senior grhastas. YHS VPd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2000 Report Share Posted November 3, 2000 > Extrapolating that a specific instruction for a specific devotee is meant > to be generalized is what is too much. The above statement *may apply* In the case of Vishala's talks with Prabhupada. But with the talks with the 80 or so Brahmacaries under TKG's direction in 1975, It was not a 'specific instruction for a specific devotee' it was a general instruction meant to encourage all brahmacaries. Otherwise what other meaning can anyone ascribe to Prabhupada's intentions when he clearly spoke both in the beginning and at the end beaming widely as he spoke. "My Guru Maharaja, very much liked this brahmacari life." He said it *twice*. that means he was emphasising it once again for every brahmacaries *general* benefit in ISKCON. Please differenciate when you make those statements. ys MMDASBR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2000 Report Share Posted November 4, 2000 "Mahamantra (das) ACBSP (Vrindavan - IN)" wrote: > > Extrapolating that a specific instruction for a specific devotee is meant > > to be generalized is what is too much. > > The above statement *may apply* In the case of Vishala's talks with > Prabhupada. > > But with the talks with the 80 or so Brahmacaries under TKG's direction in > 1975, It was not a 'specific instruction for a specific devotee' it was a > general instruction meant to encourage all brahmacaries. > > Otherwise what other meaning can anyone ascribe to Prabhupada's intentions > when he clearly spoke both in the beginning and at the end beaming widely as > he spoke. "My Guru Maharaja, very much liked this brahmacari life." He said > it *twice*. that means he was emphasising it once again for every > brahmacaries *general* benefit in ISKCON. > > Please differenciate when you make those statements. > > ys MMDASBR My statement is meant specificaly to refer to specific statements. If a statement is general, then it is not applicable. We also see where the broader view of scripture shows that brahmacary life is a midpoint and not an endpoint. It is student life. If during student life we give no instructions on how to be anything other than a student, and treat everyone leaving student life as a failure, that sets the stage for a high level of failure in post student life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2000 Report Share Posted November 4, 2000 One reason I didn't reply to your first response is that your first statement was to try to position me as being critical of Srila Prabhupada. That was counterproductive on your part. That sort of witch hunting type statement has become way too popular in ISKCON and neo ISKCON these days. I have come to the conclusion that dialogue on that level is a waste of my time. The second reason was that you then spent the body of the e mail making all my points for me, basically agreeing with what I said. So being in agreement, no reply was necessary. "Mahamantra (das) ACBSP (Vrindavan - IN)" wrote: > > Extrapolating that a specific instruction for a specific devotee is meant > > to be generalized is what is too much. > > The above statement *may apply* In the case of Vishala's talks with > Prabhupada. > > But with the talks with the 80 or so Brahmacaries under TKG's direction in > 1975, It was not a 'specific instruction for a specific devotee' it was a > general instruction meant to encourage all brahmacaries. > > Otherwise what other meaning can anyone ascribe to Prabhupada's intentions > when he clearly spoke both in the beginning and at the end beaming widely as > he spoke. "My Guru Maharaja, very much liked this brahmacari life." He said > it *twice*. that means he was emphasising it once again for every > brahmacaries *general* benefit in ISKCON. > > Please differenciate when you make those statements. > > ys MMDASBR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2000 Report Share Posted November 5, 2000 > > We also see where the broader view of scripture shows that brahmacary life is a > midpoint and not an endpoint. It is student life. If during student life we > give no instructions on how to be anything other than a student, and treat > everyone leaving student life as a failure, that sets the stage for a high > level of failure in post student life. While I am no brahmachari I have heard that if one can remain a genuine brahmachari all his life , there is no need for him to even take grihastha or the sanyas ashram. So how can brahmachari life be not an endpoint ? On the contrary it appears that grihastha life is a midpoint because one is advised not to remain in the grihastha ashram all through one's life. Please forgive me for any offenses .. I am just a neophyte .. and please help me out if I am wrong. YS Prashant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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