denying the guru's order

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It sure is a wonderful and eye opening conversation.

Thanks a lot prabhuji

YHS

VPd

 

> > Is it true the other way around too. If one's Guru asks one not to get

> > married, and one gets married anyway. Any scriptural references? YHS

> > Vpd

>

> here's a prabhupada story. I personally heard this tape on RDTSKP.

> Whenever any brahmacari was 'thinking' of getting married they would

> troupe him in front of tripurari Maharaja (the leader of btbd party St.

> Louis). who would play a small tape (now lost I think).

>

> It was so famous on this party I could not forget this tape. I am

> recalling it appoximately 98%, as below.

>

> I hope the Archives people will find this tape later on.

>

> room conversation in L.A.

>

> Prabhupada: So Vishala prabhu when are you going to India?

> Vishala: I think I'd like to go in May.

> Prabhupada: Very good.

> Vishala: I've been thinking lately..

> Prabhupada: Oh don't do that..

> Vishala: I was thinking that I should get married. (etc)

> Prabhupada: I tell you you won't be happy.

> Vishala: well, I think I'll be better situated, and content. (etc etc)

> Prabhupada: I tell you you won't be happy.

> Vishala: suppose, I *did* get married, srila Prabhupada, would I still get

> your mercy?

> Prabhupada (voice strained): My mercy is 'you don't get married!'

>

> I remember how strained Prabhupada's voice was on this tape, He clearly

> wanted to save this disciple from so much trouble.

>

> yet, this disciple got married anyway, and yes as history shows really had

> a tough time of it.

>

> I personally heard Prabhupada in Atlanta 1975 on dissappearance festival

> of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta at a Brahmacari darshan,told us all:

>

> "My guru maharaja very much liked this Brahmacari life, you can sleep

> anywhere, but if you get married, then you have to get appartment and

> 'so-much-trouble'

>

> (my jaw dropped, 'he wants to save us' I thought)

>

> he paused 10-15 seconds for it to sink in our brains.

>

> "so their will be trouble, the senses will demand, so you preach! (he

> pointed his finger at us) "and pray to Krsna!' (he put his hand in Varadha

> mudra blessing us) " and Krsna... Krsna can make this itching sensation go

> away"

>

> again he paused 10-15 seconds for it to sink in our brains.

>

> he again said." you preach! (he pointed his finger at us) "and pray to

> Krsna!' (he put his hand in Varadha mudra blessing us.. still more

> insistent this time) " and Krsna... Krsna can make this itching sensation

> go away"

> '

> "but if it does not go away, then like them you can take..." He gestured

> to the 3 householders standing in the back. (Aja and Gaddi dasa were two

> of them--- both of them also went through hard times in household life).

>

> "But *my guru maharaja* very much liked this Brahmacari life!"

>

> I was so happy by seeing his determination. That was so convincing, it was

> so breif, but I had no questions. the instruction was crystal clear..

>

> so I was there among 80 or so men, and I was convinced by that 10 minute

> darshan. although the rest got married anyway.

>

> hope it helps,

>

> ys MMDASBR