Get the rope

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Excerpt from room conversation with Allen Ginsberg

 

May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio

 

"Allen Ginsberg: So Kalki comes at the end of the Kali-yuga?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Allen Ginsberg: And is Kalki connected with the Kali-yuga cycle?

Prabhupada: Yes. Kalki, yes.

Allen Ginsberg: So He would come at the end of Kali-yuga to end the yuga.

Prabhupada: Yes. Then Satya-yuga will begin.

Allen Ginsberg: Then what begins?

Prabhupada: Satya-yuga.

Allen Ginsberg: Which is?

Prabhupada: Satya-yuga, the pious. Satya-yuga. People will be pious,

truthful, long-living.

Allen Ginsberg: Are those people that remain or whatever new creation comes

out of the destruction?

Prabhupada: Some of them will remain, some of them. It will not completely

extinguish. Some of them will remain, pious. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya

ca duskrtam [bg. 4.8]. All miscreants will be killed, and out of them, there

must be some pious... They remain.

Allen Ginsberg: Do you think of this in terms of a historical event that

will occur in the lifetime of your disciples?

Prabhupada: No. This will happen at least 400,000's of years after, at

least. So by that time...

Allen Ginsberg: They will go down, down, down for 400,000 years?

Prabhupada: Yes. So at that time my disciples will be with Krsna. (laughter)

Devotees: Haribol!

Prabhupada: And those who will not follow them, they will see the fun, how

they are being killed. (laughter)

Allen Ginsberg: 400,000 years. Will people still be chanting Hare Krsna in

400,000...

Prabhupada: No. Hare Krsna will be finished within ten thousand years. There

will be no more Hare Krsna.

Allen Ginsberg: Ah. So what will be left?

Prabhupada: Nothing. Left will be I'll kill you and eat you, and you shall

kill me. You shall eat me. That will be left.

Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?

Prabhupada: Yes. There will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I

have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating.

(laughter) Full facility. Krsna is very kind. He'll give you facility: "All

right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely." Just

like serpents, snakes, they eat their own offsprings, tigers. So this will

happen.

Allen Ginsberg: Kali eats her own...

Prabhupada: Yes. And there will be no brain to understand, no preacher,

nothing else. Go. Go to, to the dog. And then Krsna will come: "All right,

let me kill you so that you are saved." So...

Allen Ginsberg: But you see it as actually a historical thing of ten

thousand years for the chanting, of the diminishing chanting of...

Prabhupada: Yes. These are...

Allen Ginsberg: Well, then do you think more people will chant Hare Krsna or

fewer?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. More people. Now it will increase.

Allen Ginsberg: Until?

Prabhupada: Up to ten thousand years.

Allen Ginsberg: And then?

Prabhupada: Then diminish.

Allen Ginsberg: So what is the purpose of right now, a world increase...

Prabhupada: People will take advantage of this up to ten thousand years.

Then they will...

Allen Ginsberg: So this is like the last rope, the last gasp.

Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. So the sooner we take to shelter, shelter of Krsna

consciousness, is better."