RE: Vote #1: Should the GBC be restructured according to varnashrama

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|Vaiyasaki.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net [Vaiyasaki.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

|Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:34 AM

|Srirama (das) ACBSP

|Cc: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN); Tattvavit (das) ACBSP

|(NE-BBT); Varnasrama development

|Vote #1: Should the GBC be restructured according to

|varnashrama princ

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|>We might not be even more transcendental than Dwaraka, but we might be

|>much, much bellow the level of Dvaraka or varnasrama society. Varnasrama

|>society is ment for civilized human beings. If you read from Srimad

|>Bhagavatam what are the qualifications of civilized human beings

|and try to

|>see how many of us have developed those qualities, you might get

|the answer

|>why is so difficult to establish varnasrama.

|

|Yes. Prabhupada said first become conscious, then become Krishna conscious.

|He also said you could tell who was the real Vaishnava because he is a

|perfect gentleman.

|

| > It seems like that chanting Hare Krsna didn't make people

|civilized human

|>beings. So many people chant Hare Krishna but are far away from the

|>qualities described in Srimad Bhagavatam. As far as I have seen chanting

|>has made devotees more Krishna conscious, but we are still hovering around

|>the hippy level when it comes to the qualities of civilized human beings.

|

|

|I disagree. They did NOT chant Hare Krishna. Simply muttering for two hours

|to get it over with because it's a duty I have to do, is not chanting Hare

|Krishna. The proof is in the result. No result, no proper

|chanting. You can

|always tell which devotees are chanting from the heart -- they are dear to

|everyone and everyone is dear to them.

|

|yours in service, vaiyasaki dasa...

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|Janesvara.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net [Janesvara.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

|Sunday, September 17, 2000 7:57 AM

|Srirama (das) ACBSP

|Cc: Prabhupada Disciples; Varnasrama development; Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP

|(Baroda - IN)

|Vote #1: Should the GBC be restructured according to

|varnashrama princ

|

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|> > > The reigns of Yushidthira and Lord Rama were described as like Heaven

|> > > on Earth because there was a varnasrama structure in place.

|> >

|> > Are you sure that's why? I've always thought it was because Lord Rama

|> > was the Supreme Personality of Godhead and Yudhisthira Maharaja was a

|> > Vaisnava. Have I misunderstood something? If so, please

|correct me with

|> > scriptural evidence.

|>

|"Lord Ramacandra became King during Treta-yuga, but because of His good

|government, the age was like Satya-yuga. Everyone was religious and

|completely happy. Among the four yugas--Satya, Treta, Dvapara and

|Kali--the

|Kali-yuga is the worst, but if the process of varnasrama-dharma is

|introduced, even in this age of Kali, the situation of Satya-yuga can be

|invoked. The Hare Krsna movement, or Krsna consciousness movement, is meant

|for this purpose." S.B. 9.10.51

|

|"The Vedic system of varna and asrama is never to be neglected because the

|divisions are created by the Supreme Lord Himself for the upkeep of social

|and religious order in human society. The brahmanas, as the intelligent

|class in human society, must be avowed to steadily respect the regulative

|principle. The tendency in this age of Kali to make a classless society and

|not observe the principles of varna and asrama is a manifestation of an

|impossible dream. Destruction of the social and spiritual orders will not

|bring fulfillment of the idea of a classless society. One should

|observe the

|principles of varna and asrama strictly for the satisfaction of

|the creator,

|for it is stated in the Bg by Lord Krsna that the four orders of the social

|system... are His creation." SB 4.6.44

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well said and this can be accomplished by following simple living and

high thinking and there is plenty of vacant land to fructify

 

"Janesvara (das) ACBSP (Syracuse - USA)" wrote:

>

> > > > The reigns of Yushidthira and Lord Rama were described as like Heaven

> > > > on Earth because there was a varnasrama structure in place.

> > >

> > > Are you sure that's why? I've always thought it was because Lord Rama

> > > was the Supreme Personality of Godhead and Yudhisthira Maharaja was a

> > > Vaisnava. Have I misunderstood something? If so, please correct me with

> > > scriptural evidence.

> >

> "Lord Ramacandra became King during Treta-yuga, but because of His good

> government, the age was like Satya-yuga. Everyone was religious and

> completely happy. Among the four yugas--Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali--the

> Kali-yuga is the worst, but if the process of varnasrama-dharma is

> introduced, even in this age of Kali, the situation of Satya-yuga can be

> invoked. The Hare Krsna movement, or Krsna consciousness movement, is meant

> for this purpose." S.B. 9.10.51

>

> "The Vedic system of varna and asrama is never to be neglected because the

> divisions are created by the Supreme Lord Himself for the upkeep of social

> and religious order in human society. The brahmanas, as the intelligent

> class in human society, must be avowed to steadily respect the regulative

> principle. The tendency in this age of Kali to make a classless society and

> not observe the principles of varna and asrama is a manifestation of an

> impossible dream. Destruction of the social and spiritual orders will not

> bring fulfillment of the idea of a classless society. One should observe the

> principles of varna and asrama strictly for the satisfaction of the creator,

> for it is stated in the Bg by Lord Krsna that the four orders of the social

> system... are His creation." SB 4.6.44