Thread 4: A prayer, ---honestly speaking

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> > So, what you are saying is when Krsna told Sri Arjuna, "sarva-dharman

> > parityajya...etc.", Sri Arjuna should have stopped doing his

> > varnasrama-dharma duty of a ksatriya and gone to the woods like he

> > wanted to in the first place?

>

> he indeed gave up all dharmas and followed what Lord Krishna said!!! in

> other words, fully surrendered.

 

 

Sri Arjuna did not "give up" daiva varnasrama-dharma nor did the Supreme

Lord request, recommend or require him to do so. In the beginning of the

battle Arjuna wanted to quit his varnasrama duty out of illusion. Krsna

convinced him to continue with the dharma he had been trained in because it

was his nature. Krsna added the caveat, "tasmat sarvesu kalesu mam anusmara

yudhya ca...etc" Bg 8.7.

 

"In the second chapter of Bhagavad-gita it is clearly stated that one should

only work for satisfying Yajna or Visnu. The perfectional form of human

civilization, known as varnasrama-dharma, is specifically meant for

satisfying Visnu." Bg 9.24

 

"I am Paramatma, the Supersoul present in everyone's heart and it is My

direct order that human society must follow the principles of varna and

asrama." KB 3.11

 

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> > Sarva dharman, etc., means give up material consciousness and surrender

> > to My perfect daiva varnasrama-dharma system,

>

> Just to clarify--- are you suggesting that there is a difference between

> varnasrama dharma and daiva varnasrama dharma? if not than I end here but

> if yes then I should add that Srila Prabhupada does't say like that. Hare

> Krishna.

 

"Sometimes we are criticized because although I am a sannyasi, I have taken

part in the marriage ceremonies of my disciples... This may be astonishing

to persons who are not very interested in establishing daiva-varnasrama, the

transcendental system of four social orders and four spiritual orders. Srila

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur however, wanted to reestablish

daiva-varnasrama... It is this daiva-varnasrama that should be established

all over the world to continue a perfect society for Krishna consciousness.

This may be astonishing to foolish critics, but it is one of the functions

of a Krishna conscious society." S.B. 5.1.24.

 

"One of the objectives of the KC movement is to establish this

daiva-varnasrama, but not to encourage so-called varnasrama without

scientifically organized endeavor by human society." SB 7.14.10

 

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> ys, bb

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> We will one day understand that there is NO difference between Krsna

> consciousness and daiva varnasrama-dharma. Until then we will continue in

> chaos.

 

Thank you prabhji, I accept that. That is what I was trying to say all

along. ISKCON is established to spread bhagavata dharma and varnasrama

dharma is a part of the whole bhagavata dharma. The introduction of SB

which I posted should be able to resolve all the issues.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Das.