Conversation about varnasrama being 50% of mission

[Guest guest]

The conversation was between Srila Prabhupada and his personal servant at

the time, Abhirama dasa Prabhu. I have spoken to him personally about these

conversations and they are very sweet and confidential conversations which

Abhirama Prabhu upholds with his sincerity and devotion to his Guru.

 

To deny is ignorance.

 

 

> > > Why did Srila Prabhupada say that establishing

> > ¯ varnasrama was FIFTY PER CENT of his mission?

> >

> > You will never find that statement anywere in his tapes, books or

> > private conversations with at least two different devotees or two

> > devotees together who have heard that. It is difficult to base an

> > argumentation with such heavy insistence like you are doing.

>

> Akhilesvara Prabhu

> PAMHO AGTSP

>

> Sorry about the delay in responding to this but here are some references:

>

> "The first time, several devotees were with Srila Prabhupada. We

> knew that his health was getting weaker. He was talking to the

> devotees about his imminent departure. 'I have no lamentation,'

> Prabhupada said. He paused for a few seconds, and then he said,

> 'No, I have one lamentation.' A devotee asked, 'Because you have

> not finished translating the Srimad Bhagavatam?' Prabhupada

> replied, 'No, that I have not established varnasrama.'

>

> "On the next occasion, some time later, I was with Srila Prabhupada

> in his room when he made the statement, 'Fifty percent of my work

> is not complete because I have not established varnasrama.'"

>

> If you have doubts about the particular devotee who gave the testimony

> then that is another issue. I personally find it consistent with

> everything else Srial Prabhupada taught us about the importance of

> varnasrama dharma.

>

>

> > > In fact, varnasrama is so important in Society that even Lord Krishna

> > > had this system implemented in His very own capital City of Dvaraka.

> >

> > There is a difference between Dwarka, 5000 years ago, and the year 2000

> > A.C. You should put things in perspective when you give an example.

>

> The differences are understood to most, but the principles are the same:

> There must be varnasrama divisions according to the time, place, and

> circumstances.

>

> > > When are we going to it into our thick heads that both Lord Krishna

> > > and

> > ¯ Srila Prabhupada want varnasrama in ISKCON,

> >

> > Why shall we always want to impose our view by force ? Isn't Krsna so

> > beautifull that people will love us even if they don't agree with us?

> > Why can't we just talk like brothers and sisters? Why even amongts

> > ourselves shall we be so rude?

>

> Among friends there is always some heated discussions but they don't

> fallout over it or take it personally. Srila Prabhupada also stated that

> when there is debate the normal etiquette is not observed.

>

> Anyway, on my part there is no malice intended, and I hope all others will

> take that into account.

>

> Hope you are well. Hare Krishna.

>

> ys

>

> ada

[Guest guest]

Dear Janesvara

You are distording my intention. I did not deny that someone -said- that

Prabhupada -said- something in regard to varnashrama. I was only questioning

the

method by which you are basing your argumentation. It is not very serious. Now,

you can accuse me of ''ignorance'' like you did, but I am sure that you are

using here also a very personal definition of the word. So there is no need for

me trying to understand what you meant by ''ignorance''.

I cannot even whish you good luck in your preaching, your attitude borders upon

fanatism. I am against it.

 

Janesvara (das) ACBSP (Syracuse - USA) a écrit:

 

> The conversation was between Srila Prabhupada and his personal servant at

> the time, Abhirama dasa Prabhu. I have spoken to him personally about these

> conversations and they are very sweet and confidential conversations which

> Abhirama Prabhu upholds with his sincerity and devotion to his Guru.

>

> To deny is ignorance.

>

> > > > Why did Srila Prabhupada say that establishing

> > > ¯ varnasrama was FIFTY PER CENT of his mission?

> > >

> > > You will never find that statement anywere in his tapes, books or

> > > private conversations with at least two different devotees or two

> > > devotees together who have heard that. It is difficult to base an

> > > argumentation with such heavy insistence like you are doing.

> >

> > Akhilesvara Prabhu

> > PAMHO AGTSP

> >

> > Sorry about the delay in responding to this but here are some references:

> >

> > "The first time, several devotees were with Srila Prabhupada. We

> > knew that his health was getting weaker. He was talking to the

> > devotees about his imminent departure. 'I have no lamentation,'

> > Prabhupada said. He paused for a few seconds, and then he said,

> > 'No, I have one lamentation.' A devotee asked, 'Because you have

> > not finished translating the Srimad Bhagavatam?' Prabhupada

> > replied, 'No, that I have not established varnasrama.'

> >

> > "On the next occasion, some time later, I was with Srila Prabhupada

> > in his room when he made the statement, 'Fifty percent of my work

> > is not complete because I have not established varnasrama.'"

> >

> > If you have doubts about the particular devotee who gave the testimony

> > then that is another issue. I personally find it consistent with

> > everything else Srial Prabhupada taught us about the importance of

> > varnasrama dharma.

> >

> >

> > > > In fact, varnasrama is so important in Society that even Lord Krishna

> > > > had this system implemented in His very own capital City of Dvaraka.

> > >

> > > There is a difference between Dwarka, 5000 years ago, and the year 2000

> > > A.C. You should put things in perspective when you give an example.

> >

> > The differences are understood to most, but the principles are the same:

> > There must be varnasrama divisions according to the time, place, and

> > circumstances.

> >

> > > > When are we going to it into our thick heads that both Lord Krishna

> > > > and

> > > ¯ Srila Prabhupada want varnasrama in ISKCON,

> > >

> > > Why shall we always want to impose our view by force ? Isn't Krsna so

> > > beautifull that people will love us even if they don't agree with us?

> > > Why can't we just talk like brothers and sisters? Why even amongts

> > > ourselves shall we be so rude?

> >

> > Among friends there is always some heated discussions but they don't

> > fallout over it or take it personally. Srila Prabhupada also stated that

> > when there is debate the normal etiquette is not observed.

> >

> > Anyway, on my part there is no malice intended, and I hope all others will

> > take that into account.

> >

> > Hope you are well. Hare Krishna.

> >

> > ys

> >

> > ada