All people can become priests

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SrI:

 

Dear Members of the Oppiliappan List :

 

This will be the last of the mails in Oppiliappan

List on this topic .

 

I have released a number of messages sofar from

the concerned Members about the decision of

the Chief Minister of TN before the embers of his election

politics hardly cooled . He must be a Vicious , Vengeful Vandal.

 

A ploitician stooping so low to do one upmanship

in the repeated battle to push a minority group down

is despicable . His moves cause of the grave threat to

the ancient temple culture and makes one suspect

about his other motives (Viz) , appointing cohorts to join

in the plunder . This crass politically motivated move of

the CM to please his electoral base and punish the opponent

is a cheap grand standing .

 

Let me add a few things in perspective and close the discussions :

 

1. Bhagavaan belongs to every body . He looks at all

Jeevans caged in different bodies and VarNAsramams

with equal compassion .

 

2. Casteism need not be injected into these discussions

but politicians find it alluring to kindle these flames

and divide Hindus and Non Hindus . The politicians of

some other states have been consumed by the very same

fire that they have kindled . I thought Tamil Nadu is an

intelligent state , which offered economic hope by bringing

in New Industries . Apparently , the new CM is creating

discord for advancement of his own political and private

agenda .

 

3. Aagamaas are ancient and a Mastery of them is vital to perform

the ordained AarAdhanams . Incompetent people overrun by

crass commerical motives perform these AarAdhanams for

PerumAL at many dhivya dEsams . Very few places are left

where AarAdhanam is performed with sincerity and Faith.

AarAdhanam is a fruitless in those cases and is a worthless

activity . Saannidhyam leaves the deities and the power is lost .

One may as well perform SaaLagrama AarAdhanam at home .

 

4. In fairness , the CM should take over all the churches ,

the Mosques besides Hindu Temples . He will see what a fire he

would get into , when he does that .

 

5. I remember the previous times , when such attempts were made

and it only hurt the archaka community , which rebounded in few

Months .

 

4. Sri Jalasayanan makes an interesting point about the economic pull

of some one wanting to enter these professions for the sake of making

a decent living . The incentives are poor although the current archakAs

stay in at many poor revenue producing temples because of

family links. Number of them are helping their children to move out of

these

traditional positions since it is horrible to work under the apathy of the

Hindu Endowment Board and the tyranny of the local Executive officers . I

must say that some of the archakaas at "wealthy" temples are too greedy and

take advantage of the visiors and the PerumAl suffers .

 

6. Let us get well trained , god-fearing competent priests well versed

in Aagamaas , who are paid decent salaries and have respected

career paths to uphold our ancient traditions .

 

5. I conclude that the current move of the CM is more of thumbing noses

with the opposition that lost to him . The Court system all the way to

the Supreme Court in a democratic country like India will deprive the CM of

any success with his malicious scheme .

 

V.SatakOpan

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Dear Members,

The temples in Tamil Nadu were built by the kings and all the temples were provided with enough lands by the kings to cater to the day to day poojas, Uthsavams and other related celebrations in the temples. They were actually centres providing employment to all categories of people like Vadyagars etc. But now most of the temples are without any land as their lands have been swallowed by the politicians. This process was started when the present ruling party assumed power for the first time in the state. Most of the temples are now run by the locals. It looks as though the present order is to weed out the qualified preists and bring their own kith and kin to finish off whatever is left in the temples.

S Lakshminarayanan

 

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"govindakrishnan alagar"

Oppiliappan

Re: Re: All people can become priests

Sun, 21 May 2006 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT)

 

 

Dear Memebers

The Government of Tamil Nadu has approved the order to make any

'qualified' person to become archaka. There is a long way to go, of

course. First it needs to be published and objections obtained from

public. Then the implementation.For that the Govt. has to find

institutions to 'qualify' 'anyoneq' Questions as to where are such

insitutions, 'who' will teach and 'what' are the qualifications. To

do that the Govrnment as in other cases, would form Commitee and

everyone knows what happens to the Commitees and their

recommendations. Assuming recommendations do come, litigations on

them are not ruled out. When the question of which Thiruman should

adore the elephant takes ages in the Court one can imagine the web

of legal battle on these issues. In the meantime the Govt. will

have a thousand other day to day problems to face than to run after

qualifiying 'anyone' for the job of the lacklusture priesthood.

At the end of the day, the malady lies in the temples being

under the Government. The day the HR and CE ministries were

contemplated the wisemen like Rajaji and others should have

resisted and stopped that move. The damage has been done and which

ever Government comes here after, the issue would remain alive for

reasons other than real interest to implement. In the meantime the

existing practice would be continuing.

Srivilliputtur Govindakrishnan Alagar

 

 

 

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swamin,

BUT IS THERE A SPECIFIC WAY TO LEAD LIFE AND BE LEARNED TO SOME EXTENT. THAT ISTHE BASIC Q. ALL THIS HAPPENS ONLY IN INDIA WHERE CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM LIVES ARE MORE VALUABLE AND TEXTS MORE SACRED THAN HINDUS.

Regards/vj

 

Sowmya Ravi <ravi_sowmya (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

It is indeed shameful that inspite of India being a hindu country, because

of politicians we are afraid to fight on this issue, wonder if any one will

dare to bring in similar law in other religions like Muslims,

christians etc.

I donot intend to bring this with kind of argument but, my concern is what

happens to varnashrama darma .

 

And what ultimately can be acheived on this.

 

 

regards

ravi iyngar

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Oppiliappan, "Sudarshan K Madabushi"

<mksudarshan2002 wrote:

Such an act is already there in Andhra, but hardly any became a

priest! People belonging to any community are interested in becoming

engineers, lawyers, doctors etc.

There are one or two places in AP/TN, where sincere SAtthAdha

SrivaishnavOttamas became priests due to non-availability of Iyengars

and whatever reasons.

 

adiyen ramanuja dasan

vishnu

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>

>

> > Thatha Desikan <tsdesigan@> wrote:

> > Pranams to all people,

> >

> > I hope many would have heard that the current DMK

> > government of Tamil Nadu, is going to issue a

> > government order that "All people, not just brahmins,

> > can become priests in hindu temples". He has intended

> > for all the temples that are currently under

> > government. They also seems a plan to train many

> > non-brahmin people for this.

> >

> > Our tradition is based on varnashrama darma and not

> > caste fights. But, he wont understand this.

> >

> > Sorry to bring this news to groups, but any idea on

> > what all the temples that might get affected?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Desigan

>