Shreem or Shring?

May 20, 2006

Hi Everyone,

I want to share my experiences of the past year+

On April 26th 2005, I started chanting Mother Lakshmi's bija mantra

shrIM pronounced as 'SHREEM,' I also meditated effortlessly twice

daily with mantra 'SHREEM' in the same way as I used to practise

Transcendental meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - the

Billionaire TM Guru!

Within a short period of time extremely positive things happened in my

life, I experienced all kinds of abundance, not just money, but all

sorts of positive stuff.

On 22nd August, about 4 months after starting this sadhana, I

experienced transcending or 'Samadhi for the first time on this

mantra, I had numerous experiences of this state on my TM mantra

'Aing' pronounced as a 2 syllable word 'iy-ing'

On the advice of a Tantric meditation teacher, I changed my Vedic

Mantra `SHREEM' to MahaLakshmi's Tantric Mantra 'SHRING' pronounced as

it is spelled to rhyme with 'thing'

For what is meant to be a more powerful mantra, for me it was one big

disappointment, I could not feel Mother Lakshmi's presence/energy, and

from my experience 'SHRING' is a corrupted or distorted version of

'SHREEM,'and I have gratefully returned to 'SHREEM' putting it all

down to experience!

I think that the theory that Northern India and Tibet stole the

Mantras from the South holds true.

I don't believe mantras pronounced with 'ng' endings as opposed to 'M'

endings are more powerful, I think they are corrupted versions of the

truth.

I would appreciate opinions and comments based on experience, not theory!

Namaste,

Billy

Jay Gurudev

May 22, 2006

> I think that the theory that Northern India and Tibet stole the

> Mantras from the South holds true.

>

why are you bothered on who stole what !!!this is funny.

mantras are knowledge and knowledge cannot be stolen it is universal

stolen is a wrong word to use in this case .it can only be awakened

in us.

jay gurudev

soham

Jay Gurudev

May 22, 2006

Are you an indian ? Your name does not sound like .

India being democracy you are allowed to speak any thing . Just

based on your personal expericence how do you come to a decision

mantras are corrupted . Could you prove or disprove that mantras

have been stolen from South . Are you aware of how the human

civilization moved to the south , how tantra emerged . Was it true

that the scripts were written all in Sanskrit , what about languages

prior to sanskrit like Gupta, Kirati , Newari , Maithili . How about

Rig veda was it also stolen from South then why most south indians

follow Yajur veda which is written long latter. How about Tara

mantra given by Vishwamitra, was it also stolen ? Is the durga beej

as worshiped by Raja Ramchandra also stolen or Ayodhya is in South

and not North ? Are you aware about the significance of naad vindu

in a beej ? Is is counted when the mantranka is calculated . What is

the orginal sound when a bell is rang ? If all the ing mantras are

false then are all the tantra sadhak from North east including Nepal

as well as eastern india like Totapuri , Ramkrishna , Vamdev ,

Brajabasi Kailashpati all nonsense sadhak as thats the accent of

naad vindu in these areas ? How about Abhinava gupta a Kashmiri

Tantrik and Agamvagish - they did not attain siddhi ?

You would not like to hear theory because it mostly you are not

aware . I have been doing it with ing and theres no problem so far

rather magics everyday so ....

Here there are also people doing with M naad many have had siddhis

many are working for it .

Your belif is just too negligible to be taken for granted , and my

belief is i will get all i want with even a corrupted beej if at all

because i heard it from guru . Unless taken from guru all right

wrong mantras are dead . Meditation teacher on the west are telling

mantras and opening gym for making dollars . Is your teacher having

a samrajya abhishek for you to tell all these nice stories .

Is you teacher Mike Maagee at London or some one in states .

, "biosoundbill" <smithybill>

wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I want to share my experiences of the past year+

>

> On April 26th 2005, I started chanting Mother Lakshmi's bija mantra

> shrIM pronounced as 'SHREEM,' I also meditated effortlessly twice

> daily with mantra 'SHREEM' in the same way as I used to practise

> Transcendental meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - the

> Billionaire TM Guru!

>

> Within a short period of time extremely positive things happened

in my

> life, I experienced all kinds of abundance, not just money, but all

> sorts of positive stuff.

> On 22nd August, about 4 months after starting this sadhana, I

> experienced transcending or 'Samadhi for the first time on this

> mantra, I had numerous experiences of this state on my TM mantra

> 'Aing' pronounced as a 2 syllable word 'iy-ing'

>

> On the advice of a Tantric meditation teacher, I changed my Vedic

> Mantra `SHREEM' to MahaLakshmi's Tantric Mantra 'SHRING'

pronounced as

> it is spelled to rhyme with 'thing'

>

> For what is meant to be a more powerful mantra, for me it was one

big

> disappointment, I could not feel Mother Lakshmi's presence/energy,

and

> from my experience 'SHRING' is a corrupted or distorted version of

> 'SHREEM,'and I have gratefully returned to 'SHREEM' putting it all

> down to experience!

>

> I think that the theory that Northern India and Tibet stole the

> Mantras from the South holds true.

>

> I don't believe mantras pronounced with 'ng' endings as opposed

to 'M'

> endings are more powerful, I think they are corrupted versions of

the

> truth.

> I would appreciate opinions and comments based on experience, not

theory!

>

> Namaste,

>

> Billy

>

Jay Gurudev

jarveyp · May 24, 2006

billy can I have the complete sreem mantra? the one that you did get results ,can you also help me on how to do the meditation you did to achieve the results?

any help will be appreciated.

jarveyp.

jarveyp · May 24, 2006

Billie would you be kind enougf to share that one complete mantra shreem you used that brought you results,also can you tell me how you did the meditation that brought you those results?

what kind of good things happen?

any help will be appreciated.

jarveyp

June 25, 2006

Sorry if I caused offence!

I have a good teacher of Vedic Mantra and Bija pronunciation, but I

have great difficulty with Tantric mantra and Bija pronunciation. For

example I have heard the Tantric Bijamantra for Maha Lakshmi

pronounced in the following ways:-

1.Shring to rhyme with `Thing, Swing, or Bring'

2.Shring pronounced as `shriing' where the `I' is longer than in the

word `ring'

3.Shring pronounced as `shiring' like `shear' and `ing' as in the

word `ring'

4.Shring pronounced as `shreeng' that's `shree' to rhyme with `tree'

+ `ng'

So I'm at fault, and I really don't know which is the correct

pronunciation, and would really appreciate it if somebody could

enlighten me!

An audio file of the correct version would be really neat!

I apologise for calling Tantric bijas corrupted, I just don't have

enough knowledge of them!

Namaste,

Billy

, "mathhelp_04" <mathhelp_04 wrote:

>

> Are you an indian ? Your name does not sound like .

> India being democracy you are allowed to speak any thing . Just

> based on your personal expericence how do you come to a decision

> mantras are corrupted . Could you prove or disprove that mantras

> have been stolen from South . Are you aware of how the human

> civilization moved to the south , how tantra emerged . Was it true

> that the scripts were written all in Sanskrit , what about languages

> prior to sanskrit like Gupta, Kirati , Newari , Maithili . How about

> Rig veda was it also stolen from South then why most south indians

> follow Yajur veda which is written long latter. How about Tara

> mantra given by Vishwamitra, was it also stolen ? Is the durga beej

> as worshiped by Raja Ramchandra also stolen or Ayodhya is in South

> and not North ? Are you aware about the significance of naad vindu

> in a beej ? Is is counted when the mantranka is calculated . What is

> the orginal sound when a bell is rang ? If all the ing mantras are

> false then are all the tantra sadhak from North east including Nepal

> as well as eastern india like Totapuri , Ramkrishna , Vamdev ,

> Brajabasi Kailashpati all nonsense sadhak as thats the accent of

> naad vindu in these areas ? How about Abhinava gupta a Kashmiri

> Tantrik and Agamvagish - they did not attain siddhi ?

> You would not like to hear theory because it mostly you are not

> aware . I have been doing it with ing and theres no problem so far

> rather magics everyday so ....

> Here there are also people doing with M naad many have had siddhis

> many are working for it .

> Your belif is just too negligible to be taken for granted , and my

> belief is i will get all i want with even a corrupted beej if at all

> because i heard it from guru . Unless taken from guru all right

> wrong mantras are dead . Meditation teacher on the west are telling

> mantras and opening gym for making dollars . Is your teacher having

> a samrajya abhishek for you to tell all these nice stories .

> Is you teacher Mike Maagee at London or some one in states .

>

> , "biosoundbill" <smithybill@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > I want to share my experiences of the past year+

> >

> > On April 26th 2005, I started chanting Mother Lakshmi's bija mantra

> > shrIM pronounced as 'SHREEM,' I also meditated effortlessly twice

> > daily with mantra 'SHREEM' in the same way as I used to practise

> > Transcendental meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - the

> > Billionaire TM Guru!

> >

> > Within a short period of time extremely positive things happened

> in my

> > life, I experienced all kinds of abundance, not just money, but all

> > sorts of positive stuff.

> > On 22nd August, about 4 months after starting this sadhana, I

> > experienced transcending or 'Samadhi for the first time on this

> > mantra, I had numerous experiences of this state on my TM mantra

> > 'Aing' pronounced as a 2 syllable word 'iy-ing'

> >

> > On the advice of a Tantric meditation teacher, I changed my Vedic

> > Mantra `SHREEM' to MahaLakshmi's Tantric Mantra 'SHRING'

> pronounced as

> > it is spelled to rhyme with 'thing'

> >

> > For what is meant to be a more powerful mantra, for me it was one

> big

> > disappointment, I could not feel Mother Lakshmi's presence/energy,

> and

> > from my experience 'SHRING' is a corrupted or distorted version of

> > 'SHREEM,'and I have gratefully returned to 'SHREEM' putting it all

> > down to experience!

> >

> > I think that the theory that Northern India and Tibet stole the

> > Mantras from the South holds true.

> >

> > I don't believe mantras pronounced with 'ng' endings as opposed

> to 'M'

> > endings are more powerful, I think they are corrupted versions of

> the

> > truth.

> > I would appreciate opinions and comments based on experience, not

> theory!

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Billy

> >

>

June 27, 2006

Jai Gurudev

Mantraas are the made from the sounds gathered from universe. Yogis are

revealed to Mantraas in deep meditation, when they realise their true

self and true nature of brahamaand. That's what I believe. Mantraas are

much more than a pure display of intellect. A mantra ties us, brahmaand

and the divine together into oneness. I must honour mantraas as one

honours the divine.

And yogi in oneness is beyond boundaries created by human beings.

On the discussion below I think billy seems to have become impatient.

Billy "with great power comes great responsibility". Quoting from movie

spiderman :-). What billy's Guru gave him was something powerful but I

guess billy hasn't realised the importance of it. If one respect the

great power, then great power comes to one faster but if one disregards

it then the same may so to say kick one.

One should have faith and devotion towards mantraas and more importantly

towards one Guru.

I am sure that everytime I recite mantraas I make mistakes (when my

teacher hears me pronouncing mantraas he says what are doing, are you

singing a song or reciting mantraas :-)) but still I get results. Its

not to weigh down the importance of correct pronunciation and its

effectiveness but at the sametime we should not over weigh the

importance of pronunciation. I know what my teacher means, he means that

if I pronounce it correctly then I can go further.

After years of pronouncing I still don't know the correct pronunciation

but I guess the devotion carries me forward.

I just do it with devotion and may be that right pronunciation when in

devotion comes by itself.

Lets say one pronounces mantraas correctly but if one does so without

faith and devotion then one will still not get results. In this sense

mantraas are mysterious :-) seems like mantraas are much more than just

pronunciation.

Billy I guess if you put in a little more faith and devotion then you

will soon see the results.