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Om Krishna Guru

 

Namaste Sarbani Ji,

 

That was an excellent compilation of SJC Gurus with their e-mail

address. As some people contact me to be their Guru, then I say I am

student only and advise them to contact our SJC Gurus. So this

webpage is very much useful in that case.

 

Is it possible for you (or who ever is maintaining this list) to add

the date on the native was made as SJC Guru. I am doing a small study

on Drig Dasa, and this information will be very valuable data for my

study. For some reasons, if it is not possible to put this data it in

the website, then, can you please send me this data privately to my e-

mail address.

 

Alternatively, if you are not the person who maintains this

information, then may I request you to please forward this ( my )

request to the concerned person on my behalf and let me know.

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

 

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Sun May 21, 2006  8:29 am

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Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear JL,

The list of jyotish gurus is in the SJC website at

http://.org.

Best Regards,

Sarbani Sarkar

http://sarbani.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

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Jaya Jaganantha

 

 

 

Dear Raghu

 

Namaste

 

 

 

Just a thought, how about sending an email to all the gurus for this date,

now that you have their contact details - I don't think its fair to ask SJC

to provide this information as not all gurus may want to participate,

because it's a personal matter. The only problem with SJC providing

additional data of this nature, is that once a presidence is set, some one

else doing a different research study may want other information about the

gurus, so where do we draw the line.

 

 

 

I also enjoying interrogating data and I understand the lack of data

available, but I have accepted that we can only work with information in the

public domain to respect the wishes of individuals - I wouldn't want SJC to

distribute my information without my consent. Most credible organizations

as a policy do not make personal details available otherwise they will be

open to legal challenges for not maintaining confidentiality, unless the

individuals expressly gave permission thereto.

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

 

Bipin

 

 

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Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Thanks. I was going to draft a similar mail to Raghu. In fact he should send

a common mail to all the gurus asking for their input. Those interested will

write back to him. A year back a senior jyotish guru wrote an extremely

nasty mail to me, saying I was 'digging up' information from our office

records to find who the jyotish guru of a particular student was. Of course

it was ridiculous and malicious, as it was common knowledge as to who the

guru of the particular person was; the way it is commonly knowledge that

Swee is your jyotish guru or Visti is Rafal's. I used a certain turn of

phrase, and it was used against me. It is ridiculous because, it is no state

secret nor a sacred secret as we are not diksha gurus. In fact, I was

thinking that it might be a nice idea to have the list of students of SJC

who have taken jyotish gurus. We used to have it in a very old web site, you

know, before I joined SJC. Lets see what others feel about this.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar

http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/>

 

 

 

 

_____

 

[] On

Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:40 PM

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

 

 

Jaya Jaganantha

 

 

 

Dear Raghu

 

Namaste

 

 

 

Just a thought, how about sending an email to all the gurus for this date,

now that you have their contact details - I don't think its fair to ask SJC

to provide this information as not all gurus may want to participate,

because it's a personal matter. The only problem with SJC providing

additional data of this nature, is that once a presidence is set, some one

else doing a different research study may want other information about the

gurus, so where do we draw the line.

 

 

 

I also enjoying interrogating data and I understand the lack of data

available, but I have accepted that we can only work with information in the

public domain to respect the wishes of individuals - I wouldn't want SJC to

distribute my information without my consent. Most credible organizations

as a policy do not make personal details available otherwise they will be

open to legal challenges for not maintaining confidentiality, unless the

individuals expressly gave permission thereto.

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

 

Bipin

 

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********

 

The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected

recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way

disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the

e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error

and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not

secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and

viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.

 

 

 

****************************************************************************

********

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

 

 

Dear Sarbani

 

Namaste

 

 

 

It is good practice for good governance that basic membership information be

kept of all SJC Gurus and their students they have taken on, according to

the SJC process, for SJC record purposes only, like Full name, Id numbers,

Birth Data, physical address, Guru, contact details, etc. Forgive my

ignorance, im sure you may already have this in place.

 

 

 

Now together with this, I think there should be clear guidelines or house

rules for Gurus and students (I read recently that this process is under

evaluation). Its such a pity that one has to do all of this, but I think we

have to accept that we are in the Kali Yuga and the temptation is always

there for people to misuse the organization and the process. These

guidelines are there to protect the organization and its members and I think

necessary.

 

 

 

As regards listing of students who have taken on Shiksha Gurus - I have no

problem with this. The only one concern or challenge regarding this is,

rivalry between Gurus and Students as to who has the most students, etc,

etc, so if you feel this is an eventuality, rather not publish this. I cant

believe im writing this, this kind of thought shouldn't even enter our minds

as its disrespectful to our sacred science and to the parampara. As

regards birth data, and other details - this may have to be kept

confidential, unless there is a policy around this which members have given

their consent.

 

 

 

You have my support on any guidelines or processes that are implemented for

good governance.

 

 

 

Best Wishes

 

 

 

Bipin

 

 

 

Ps: on a private note - I enjoyed reading your article on Shukra and look

forward to reading more articles of that nature.

 

 

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The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.

 

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Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Yes we already have those records.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar

http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/>

 

 

 

 

_____

 

[] On

Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:39 PM

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

 

 

Dear Sarbani

 

Namaste

 

 

 

It is good practice for good governance that basic membership information be

kept of all SJC Gurus and their students they have taken on, according to

the SJC process, for SJC record purposes only, like Full name, Id numbers,

Birth Data, physical address, Guru, contact details, etc. Forgive my

ignorance, im sure you may already have this in place.

 

 

 

Now together with this, I think there should be clear guidelines or house

rules for Gurus and students (I read recently that this process is under

evaluation). Its such a pity that one has to do all of this, but I think we

have to accept that we are in the Kali Yuga and the temptation is always

there for people to misuse the organization and the process. These

guidelines are there to protect the organization and its members and I think

necessary.

 

 

 

As regards listing of students who have taken on Shiksha Gurus - I have no

problem with this. The only one concern or challenge regarding this is,

rivalry between Gurus and Students as to who has the most students, etc,

etc, so if you feel this is an eventuality, rather not publish this. I cant

believe im writing this, this kind of thought shouldn't even enter our minds

as its disrespectful to our sacred science and to the parampara. As

regards birth data, and other details - this may have to be kept

confidential, unless there is a policy around this which members have given

their consent.

 

 

 

You have my support on any guidelines or processes that are implemented for

good governance.

 

 

 

Best Wishes

 

 

 

Bipin

 

 

 

Ps: on a private note - I enjoyed reading your article on Shukra and look

forward to reading more articles of that nature.

 

****************************************************************************

********

 

The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected

recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way

disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the

e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error

and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not

secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and

viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.

 

 

 

****************************************************************************

********

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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vyam vyasadevaya namah

Dear Sarbani,

 

The idea of list of students can be encouraging and informative but there is danger for naive potential students to take the Guru with highest number of student and it can be little emberrasing for Guru's who doesnt have high number of student...maybe for someone its irrelevant and yes..it should be like that but this is the world of maya..of arudha.

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

-

Sarbani Sarkar

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:39 AM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Thanks. I was going to draft a similar mail to Raghu. In fact he should send a common mail to all the gurus asking for their input. Those interested will write back to him. A year back a senior jyotish guru wrote an extremely nasty mail to me, saying I was 'digging up' information from our office records to find who the jyotish guru of a particular student was. Of course it was ridiculous and malicious, as it was common knowledge as to who the guru of the particular person was; the way it is commonly knowledge that Swee is your jyotish guru or Visti is Rafal's. I used a certain turn of phrase, and it was used against me. It is ridiculous because, it is no state secret nor a sacred secret as we are not diksha gurus. In fact, I was thinking that it might be a nice idea to have the list of students of SJC who have taken jyotish gurus. We used to have it in a very old web site, you know, before I joined SJC. Lets see what others feel about this.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar

http://sarbani.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[] On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:40 PM

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

 

Jaya Jaganantha

 

 

Dear Raghu

 

Namaste

 

 

Just a thought, how about sending an email to all the gurus for this date, now that you have their contact details - I don't think its fair to ask SJC to provide this information as not all gurus may want to participate, because it's a personal matter. The only problem with SJC providing additional data of this nature, is that once a presidence is set, some one else doing a different research study may want other information about the gurus, so where do we draw the line.

 

 

I also enjoying interrogating data and I understand the lack of data available, but I have accepted that we can only work with information in the public domain to respect the wishes of individuals - I wouldn't want SJC to distribute my information without my consent. Most credible organizations as a policy do not make personal details available otherwise they will be open to legal challenges for not maintaining confidentiality, unless the individuals expressly gave permission thereto.

 

 

Regards

 

 

Bipin

 

************************************************************************************

 

The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.

 

 

 

 

************************************************************************************

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Very good point Rafal. Thanks!

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar

http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/>

 

 

 

 

_____

 

[] On

Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:14 PM

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

 

vyam vyasadevaya namah

Dear Sarbani,

 

The idea of list of students can be encouraging and informative but there is

danger for naive potential students to take the Guru with highest number of

student and it can be little emberrasing for Guru's who doesnt have high

number of student...maybe for someone its irrelevant and yes..it should be

like that but this is the world of maya..of arudha.

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

-

Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org>

 

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:39 AM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Thanks. I was going to draft a similar mail to Raghu. In fact he should send

a common mail to all the gurus asking for their input. Those interested will

write back to him. A year back a senior jyotish guru wrote an extremely

nasty mail to me, saying I was 'digging up' information from our office

records to find who the jyotish guru of a particular student was. Of course

it was ridiculous and malicious, as it was common knowledge as to who the

guru of the particular person was; the way it is commonly knowledge that

Swee is your jyotish guru or Visti is Rafal's. I used a certain turn of

phrase, and it was used against me. It is ridiculous because, it is no state

secret nor a sacred secret as we are not diksha gurus. In fact, I was

thinking that it might be a nice idea to have the list of students of SJC

who have taken jyotish gurus. We used to have it in a very old web site, you

know, before I joined SJC. Lets see what others feel about this.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar

http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

[] On

Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:40 PM

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

 

 

 

Jaya Jaganantha

 

 

 

Dear Raghu

 

Namaste

 

 

 

Just a thought, how about sending an email to all the gurus for this date,

now that you have their contact details - I don't think its fair to ask SJC

to provide this information as not all gurus may want to participate,

because it's a personal matter. The only problem with SJC providing

additional data of this nature, is that once a presidence is set, some one

else doing a different research study may want other information about the

gurus, so where do we draw the line.

 

 

 

I also enjoying interrogating data and I understand the lack of data

available, but I have accepted that we can only work with information in the

public domain to respect the wishes of individuals - I wouldn't want SJC to

distribute my information without my consent. Most credible organizations

as a policy do not make personal details available otherwise they will be

open to legal challenges for not maintaining confidentiality, unless the

individuals expressly gave permission thereto.

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

 

Bipin

 

****************************************************************************

********

 

The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected

recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way

disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the

e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error

and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not

secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and

viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.

 

 

 

 

 

****************************************************************************

********

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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Om Krishna Guru

 

Namaste Sarbani Ji and Bipin Ji,

 

Thanks to both of you for your good comments about privacy and

governance etc.,

 

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

 

, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani>

wrote:

>

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> Dear Bipin,

> Thanks. I was going to draft a similar mail to Raghu. In fact he

should send

> a common mail to all the gurus asking for their input. Those

interested will

> write back to him. A year back a senior jyotish guru wrote an

extremely

> nasty mail to me, saying I was 'digging up' information from our

office

> records to find who the jyotish guru of a particular student was.

Of course

> it was ridiculous and malicious, as it was common knowledge as to

who the

> guru of the particular person was; the way it is commonly knowledge

that

> Swee is your jyotish guru or Visti is Rafal's. I used a certain

turn of

> phrase, and it was used against me. It is ridiculous because, it is

no state

> secret nor a sacred secret as we are not diksha gurus. In fact, I

was

> thinking that it might be a nice idea to have the list of students

of SJC

> who have taken jyotish gurus. We used to have it in a very old web

site, you

> know, before I joined SJC. Lets see what others feel about this. 

> Best Regards,

> Sarbani Sarkar

> http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/>

>

>   _____ 

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Bipin Prag

> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:40 PM

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: SJC website-SJC Gurus Information

>

>

>

> Jaya Jaganantha

>

>

> Dear Raghu

>

> Namaste

>

>

> Just a thought, how about sending an email to all the gurus for

this date,

> now that you have their contact details - I don't think its fair to

ask SJC

> to provide this information as not all gurus may want to

participate,

> because it's a personal matter.  The only problem with SJC providing

> additional data of this nature, is that once a presidence is set,

some one

> else doing a different research study may want other information

about the

> gurus, so where do we draw the line.

>

>

> I also enjoying interrogating data and I understand the lack of data

> available, but I have accepted that we can only work with

information in the

> public domain to respect the wishes of individuals - I wouldn't

want SJC to

> distribute my information without my consent.  Most credible

organizations

> as a policy do not make personal details available otherwise they

will be

> open to legal challenges for not maintaining confidentiality,

unless the

> individuals expressly gave permission thereto.

>

>

> Regards

>

>

> Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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