Guru Chandaal Yog .........-WHY SO?

May 21, 2006

Respected member,

Don't you think you are being hyper-critical of this poor fellow

called Jupiter.

Agreed his extra-potency in the form of Indra in the 7th. House is

ever eager to father many children but the fellow does have some

really good things to offer as well.

Chandal is an outcaste, nothing wrong with it but inspite of what it

is the name cannot change and so cannot change its implications to

Rahu.

In the Kaalchakra Rahu invariably obstructs the route of Jupiter and

thus Guru Chandal is definitely not something good in terms per say.

Communists(Sat) have for time always hated Capitalist(Jup) mentality

and vice versa. However, that doesn't change the fact that there is

no good in either or that there are no faults in either theories.

That is how the world is.

However, having a communist leader is a capitalist council- now that

is definitely an issue.

Similarly there is no issue in Rah or Guru, just that the

combination is not the best of things to happen individually.

However, when you take lordships this may take a completely

different turn.

BTW, I have this yoga.

Thanks

Souvik

vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego

wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> Why should it be known as GURU-CHANDAL yog ?

>

> Chandal is Harischandra Raja who indicates Truth.

>

> Guru on the other hand is pompous, double faced and destroyer of

the place he occupies.

>

> As they say, " Jis Thali Mein Khaata hai, Usi mein Chhed Karta

Hai.

>

> I would prefer to call it as RAHU-DAGABAAZ yog.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

May 21, 2006

Namaskar Bharatji,

I have always admired your posts...

As always I could not agree any more

Regards,

Souvik

vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Souvik

>

> Grahas are not to be labelled good or bad. They follow the nature

that is

> provided to them by the Lord. It is us who choose part of life and

can it

> good. The other half we call bad. Guru is considered good by many

because it

> bestows prosperity, children, popularity, expansive personality,

dharma,

> initiation of projects for the benefit of oneself and the society,

> strengthens memory, gives education, finds you a guru when one

needs it. Now

> all these things are very good for 99.5% of the population.

However, when it

> comes to Spirituality:

> 1. Guru can bring great attachment to the embodied Guru.

> 2. It makes one not question the Guru.

> 3. It makes one caught up in seeking respect and honor in the

society.

> 4. It makes one enforce one's beliefs on others.

>

> Now what does Rahu do - I am sure most can list all the bad

things. So for

> 99.5% of the population Rahu is defined as bad. However, it has a

role in

> Spirituality:

> 1. It bestows knowledge of the transitory nature of things

> 2. It questions the Guru to understand different points.

> 3. Where there is autocracy, it brings revolution.

> 4. It never makes one caught up in the endless circle of seeking

honor and

> respect in society.

>

> When both are together, if with other combinations - it can bring

a balance

> of two opposing forces. What do most spiritual masters say: "Take

the Middle

> Path".

>

> You have the combination, you would know what I mean.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 5/22/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote:

> >

> > Respected member,

> >

> > Don't you think you are being hyper-critical of this poor fellow

> > called Jupiter.

> >

> > Agreed his extra-potency in the form of Indra in the 7th. House

is

> > ever eager to father many children but the fellow does have some

> > really good things to offer as well.

> >

> > Chandal is an outcaste, nothing wrong with it but inspite of

what it

> > is the name cannot change and so cannot change its implications

to

> > Rahu.

> >

> > In the Kaalchakra Rahu invariably obstructs the route of Jupiter

and

> > thus Guru Chandal is definitely not something good in terms per

say.

> >

> > Communists(Sat) have for time always hated Capitalist(Jup)

mentality

> > and vice versa. However, that doesn't change the fact that there

is

> > no good in either or that there are no faults in either theories.

> >

> > That is how the world is.

> >

> > However, having a communist leader is a capitalist council- now

that

> > is definitely an issue.

> >

> > Similarly there is no issue in Rah or Guru, just that the

> > combination is not the best of things to happen individually.

> >

> > However, when you take lordships this may take a completely

> > different turn.

> >

> > BTW, I have this yoga.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego@>

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > >

> > > Why should it be known as GURU-CHANDAL yog ?

> > >

> > > Chandal is Harischandra Raja who indicates Truth.

> > >

> > > Guru on the other hand is pompous, double faced and

destroyer of

> > the place he occupies.

> > >

> > > As they say, " Jis Thali Mein Khaata hai, Usi mein Chhed

Karta

> > Hai.

> > >

> > > I would prefer to call it as RAHU-DAGABAAZ yog.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

May 21, 2006

Namaskaar Sri Tatvam Asiji

It is almost 3:00 AM and I am not yet asleep so I thought I will reply back..

Graha means that it seizes our thinking into believing that limitation is

"Reality". Different Grahas do it in different ways. Therefore, Rahu alone

cannot be Satya. However, Rahu-Ketu together signify the dwandhas - Pairs of

opposites like:

1. Likes -Dislikes

2. Honour -Dishonour

3. Future - Past

4. Hapiness - Sorrow

and so on and on and on.....

Rahu maybe the magnetic pole, but then it is under purview of the space. It

is limited and not satya. Universe is Satya seen with a given name. It is

dependent upon the qualities of Satya which are Jnanam and Anantam.

Therefore, space and time always appear as infinite and satya. Infact, it is

the work of Rahu to make one feel that the seen Universe is Satya in the

form that it is seen. By seeking Anantam in limitedness, Rahu can shock us

into our senses.

Many people are shocked but how many come to their senses. So we need the

energy of Jupiter and Mercury wherein Mercury will provide with the viveka

and Jupiter as a Shiva Tatva in form of a guidance. Surya as Atmabala, Moon

for clarity, and Mars for courage. There is involvement of all in this, if

only we were to will it.

The very graha under instruction of the Lord that grasps us, also releases

us due to the same Lord.

Any grahas wrong effects are actually a non acceptance of a particular trait

of Nature. An individual is only tormented by non-acceptance. The whole

nature is called Prakriti in Hindi. The Prakriti is nothing but MahaMaya. It

is nothing but Ma Durga. Non-acceptance of anything in Nature amounts to

non-acceptance of Mahamaya. It is then, the grahas attack. To the one who

accepts, who flows with Ma - the Ma is the protector. For him, the destiny

and grahas remain only namesake for the body.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 5/22/06, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego > wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Good post from you and Bharat ji,

>

> However, Guru is destructible and Rahu can never be destroyed because

> Rahu is Satya, The Truth. (Don't take the Rahu the node of Moon as my

> arguing point)

> Rahu as per my thinking stands for that universal North South magnatic

> force which always exists in universe.

>

> That is why Satya is known as SHASHWAT SATYA.

>

> Why not call the combination as Guru-Satya yog or Guru-Kaal yog ?

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> By the way, you also have GTY in 7th house.And you would be starting

> Rahu dasa in 2008.

>

> Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan > wrote:

> Namaskar Bharatji,

>

> I have always admired your posts...

>

> As always I could not agree any more

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

>

> vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

> <hinduastrology wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Souvik

> >

> > Grahas are not to be labelled good or bad. They follow the nature

> that is

> > provided to them by the Lord. It is us who choose part of life and

> can it

> > good. The other half we call bad. Guru is considered good by many

> because it

> > bestows prosperity, children, popularity, expansive personality,

> dharma,

> > initiation of projects for the benefit of oneself and the society,

> > strengthens memory, gives education, finds you a guru when one

> needs it. Now

> > all these things are very good for 99.5% of the population.

> However, when it

> > comes to Spirituality:

> > 1. Guru can bring great attachment to the embodied Guru.

> > 2. It makes one not question the Guru.

> > 3. It makes one caught up in seeking respect and honor in the

> society.

> > 4. It makes one enforce one's beliefs on others.

> >

> > Now what does Rahu do - I am sure most can list all the bad

> things. So for

> > 99.5% of the population Rahu is defined as bad. However, it has a

> role in

> > Spirituality:

> > 1. It bestows knowledge of the transitory nature of things

> > 2. It questions the Guru to understand different points.

> > 3. Where there is autocracy, it brings revolution.

> > 4. It never makes one caught up in the endless circle of seeking

> honor and

> > respect in society.

> >

> > When both are together, if with other combinations - it can bring

> a balance

> > of two opposing forces. What do most spiritual masters say: "Take

> the Middle

> > Path".

> >

> > You have the combination, you would know what I mean.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 5/22/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected member,

> > >

> > > Don't you think you are being hyper-critical of this poor fellow

> > > called Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Agreed his extra-potency in the form of Indra in the 7th. House

> is

> > > ever eager to father many children but the fellow does have some

> > > really good things to offer as well.

> > >

> > > Chandal is an outcaste, nothing wrong with it but inspite of

> what it

> > > is the name cannot change and so cannot change its implications

> to

> > > Rahu.

> > >

> > > In the Kaalchakra Rahu invariably obstructs the route of Jupiter

> and

> > > thus Guru Chandal is definitely not something good in terms per

> say.

> > >

> > > Communists(Sat) have for time always hated Capitalist(Jup)

> mentality

> > > and vice versa. However, that doesn't change the fact that there

> is

> > > no good in either or that there are no faults in either theories.

> > >

> > > That is how the world is.

> > >

> > > However, having a communist leader is a capitalist council- now

> that

> > > is definitely an issue.

> > >

> > > Similarly there is no issue in Rah or Guru, just that the

> > > combination is not the best of things to happen individually.

> > >

> > > However, when you take lordships this may take a completely

> > > different turn.

> > >

> > > BTW, I have this yoga.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Souvik

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego@>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Why should it be known as GURU-CHANDAL yog ?

> > > >

> > > > Chandal is Harischandra Raja who indicates Truth.

> > > >

> > > > Guru on the other hand is pompous, double faced and

> destroyer of

> > > the place he occupies.

> > > >

> > > > As they say, " Jis Thali Mein Khaata hai, Usi mein Chhed

> Karta

> > > Hai.

> > > >

> > > > I would prefer to call it as RAHU-DAGABAAZ yog.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

May 22, 2006

dear friends

guru bashing is back again. to call guru a dagabaaz or calling him

making a hole in the thali he eats (good god that few more examples

were not used like the child killing the mother who fed the child

with milk) is all fine in the name of freedom of speech but tatvam

ji too knows that they are far from truth.

when astrologers and scientists alike failed to predict the killer

tsunami that destroyed tamilnadu, very few people realised that this

might have been the result of the anger of the gods after the arrest

of his holiness shankaracharya jayendra saraswati ji. result of

guru bashing? it is clearly written in the shastras, that nature

would destroy the land where sages and saints are not respected.

guru needs no advocates to show that he is the best amongst all

planets. however, let me put my own understanding:

1. as per astronomy, rahu and ketu are non-existing planets.

2. as per mythology, rahu and ketu were given only planetary status

and they are not planets.

3. rahu and ketu do not form any yogas at all as per samhitas and

hence no conjunction results with rahu and ketu were given in

various samhitas written by sages. (medieval and modern books are

not reckoned)

4. since rahu and ketu do not own any houses nor have any exaltation

or debilitation points, they do not have individual results either

for rasi or bhava.

5. rahu and ketu are first rank malefics which can only give

negative results. the best part of modern astrologers is that they

can project even the worst negative results in a positive language.

for example when few bhavas are spoilt by rahu, the person goes to a

distant thrown off lands in a different religion, living habits and

various things different to the native's homeland. so instead of

saying that the native goes to the farthest land to earn his bread

and eke his livelihood as he could not succeed in getting these in

his own homeland, the modern astrologers have started painting that

if rahu is in this or that house or aspects or influences these

houses, the native succeeds or shines or settles in a foreign land.

anyone can easily understand what is reality and what is colourful

presentation of negative things.

truly rahu is known for deceit.

with best wishes

pandit arjun

vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego

wrote:

>

> Prafulla ji,

>

> I think VA or JR has my work on Rahu in archives. If you fail,

please let me know. I will send it to you.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions wrote:

> Sir

>

> How can we access your work on rahu / ketu.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego@>

wrote:

> >

> > Sri Bharat ji,

> > Good to read your views.

> > May be you have not read my works on Rahu-Ketu .(They are one

for me)

> > It would be intersting for you to read about Universal number

142.

> > Then you will understand my thoughts.

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > Namaskaar Sri Tatvam Asiji

> >

> > It is almost 3:00 AM and I am not yet asleep so I thought I will

> reply back.

> >

> > Graha means that it seizes our thinking into believing that

> limitation is

> > "Reality". Different Grahas do it in different ways. Therefore,

Rahu

> alone

> > cannot be Satya. However, Rahu-Ketu together signify the

dwandhas -

> Pairs of

> > opposites like:

> > 1. Likes -Dislikes

> > 2. Honour -Dishonour

> > 3. Future - Past

> > 4. Hapiness - Sorrow

> > and so on and on and on.....

> >

> > Rahu maybe the magnetic pole, but then it is under purview of the

> space. It

> > is limited and not satya. Universe is Satya seen with a given

name.

> It is

> > dependent upon the qualities of Satya which are Jnanam and

Anantam.

> > Therefore, space and time always appear as infinite and satya.

> Infact, it is

> > the work of Rahu to make one feel that the seen Universe is

Satya in the

> > form that it is seen. By seeking Anantam in limitedness, Rahu can

> shock us

> > into our senses.

> >

> > Many people are shocked but how many come to their senses. So we

> need the

> > energy of Jupiter and Mercury wherein Mercury will provide with

the

> viveka

> > and Jupiter as a Shiva Tatva in form of a guidance. Surya as

> Atmabala, Moon

> > for clarity, and Mars for courage. There is involvement of all in

> this, if

> > only we were to will it.

> >

> > The very graha under instruction of the Lord that grasps us, also

> releases

> > us due to the same Lord.

> >

> > Any grahas wrong effects are actually a non acceptance of a

> particular trait

> > of Nature. An individual is only tormented by non-acceptance.

The whole

> > nature is called Prakriti in Hindi. The Prakriti is nothing but

> MahaMaya. It

> > is nothing but Ma Durga. Non-acceptance of anything in Nature

amounts to

> > non-acceptance of Mahamaya. It is then, the grahas attack. To the

> one who

> > accepts, who flows with Ma - the Ma is the protector. For him,

the

> destiny

> > and grahas remain only namesake for the body.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 5/22/06, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > Good post from you and Bharat ji,

> > >

> > > However, Guru is destructible and Rahu can never be destroyed

> because

> > > Rahu is Satya, The Truth. (Don't take the Rahu the node of

Moon as my

> > > arguing point)

> > > Rahu as per my thinking stands for that universal North South

> magnatic

> > > force which always exists in universe.

> > >

> > > That is why Satya is known as SHASHWAT SATYA.

> > >

> > > Why not call the combination as Guru-Satya yog or Guru-Kaal

yog ?

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > By the way, you also have GTY in 7th house.And you would be

starting

> > > Rahu dasa in 2008.

> > >

> > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> > > Namaskar Bharatji,

> > >

> > > I have always admired your posts...

> > >

> > > As always I could not agree any more

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Souvik

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu

Astrology"

> > > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Souvik

> > > >

> > > > Grahas are not to be labelled good or bad. They follow the

nature

> > > that is

> > > > provided to them by the Lord. It is us who choose part of

life and

> > > can it

> > > > good. The other half we call bad. Guru is considered good by

many

> > > because it

> > > > bestows prosperity, children, popularity, expansive

personality,

> > > dharma,

> > > > initiation of projects for the benefit of oneself and the

society,

> > > > strengthens memory, gives education, finds you a guru when

one

> > > needs it. Now

> > > > all these things are very good for 99.5% of the population.

> > > However, when it

> > > > comes to Spirituality:

> > > > 1. Guru can bring great attachment to the embodied Guru.

> > > > 2. It makes one not question the Guru.

> > > > 3. It makes one caught up in seeking respect and honor in the

> > > society.

> > > > 4. It makes one enforce one's beliefs on others.

> > > >

> > > > Now what does Rahu do - I am sure most can list all the bad

> > > things. So for

> > > > 99.5% of the population Rahu is defined as bad. However, it

has a

> > > role in

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > 1. It bestows knowledge of the transitory nature of things

> > > > 2. It questions the Guru to understand different points.

> > > > 3. Where there is autocracy, it brings revolution.

> > > > 4. It never makes one caught up in the endless circle of

seeking

> > > honor and

> > > > respect in society.

> > > >

> > > > When both are together, if with other combinations - it can

bring

> > > a balance

> > > > of two opposing forces. What do most spiritual masters

say: "Take

> > > the Middle

> > > > Path".

> > > >

> > > > You have the combination, you would know what I mean.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 5/22/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected member,

> > > > >

> > > > > Don't you think you are being hyper-critical of this poor

fellow

> > > > > called Jupiter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Agreed his extra-potency in the form of Indra in the 7th.

House

> > > is

> > > > > ever eager to father many children but the fellow does

have some

> > > > > really good things to offer as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandal is an outcaste, nothing wrong with it but inspite

of

> > > what it

> > > > > is the name cannot change and so cannot change its

implications

> > > to

> > > > > Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the Kaalchakra Rahu invariably obstructs the route of

Jupiter

> > > and

> > > > > thus Guru Chandal is definitely not something good in

terms per

> > > say.

> > > > >

> > > > > Communists(Sat) have for time always hated Capitalist(Jup)

> > > mentality

> > > > > and vice versa. However, that doesn't change the fact that

there

> > > is

> > > > > no good in either or that there are no faults in either

theories.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is how the world is.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, having a communist leader is a capitalist council-

now

> > > that

> > > > > is definitely an issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly there is no issue in Rah or Guru, just that the

> > > > > combination is not the best of things to happen

individually.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, when you take lordships this may take a completely

> > > > > different turn.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, I have this yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Souvik

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi

<nameisego@>

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why should it be known as GURU-CHANDAL yog ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandal is Harischandra Raja who indicates Truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru on the other hand is pompous, double faced and

> > > destroyer of

> > > > > the place he occupies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As they say, " Jis Thali Mein Khaata hai, Usi mein

Chhed

> > > Karta

> > > > > Hai.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would prefer to call it as RAHU-DAGABAAZ yog.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > > > >

May 22, 2006

Dear Arjun ji,

You stick to your thinking and I will stick to mine.

Ttavam-Asi

About Shaankaracharya of Kanchi, his chart has been discussed and I have already posted my reading on him.

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: