Readings on Elder Brothers (Quodos Prafulla Gang ji)

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla ji,

 

It is such a treat to hear your voice, clear as ever, strong as ever,

pragmatic as ever, and currently enlightening on more than one forum!

 

I have absolutely no reservation in accepting the ability of sun to

turn malefic, though some may skirt around the fact and be just happy

calling it Krura! Any planet can turn malefic and any planet can

express more of its maleficience in certain individuals while it

expresses less of its maleficience in others born at the same time.

Someday, I will discuss the charts of two scorpio borns, born just

several days apart, both with scorpio rising, with the only gross

difference being in the moon and one of them turned out to be a

surgeon, the other a serial killer!

 

Like most jyotishis, I started out blindly believing that all

combustion is bad. Then I ran into a tropical astrologer who

demonstrated the power of caizimi (planets within 12 minutes of sun --

combustion par-none by jyotish standards) and how it suddenly has

the most elevating influence on the *combust* planets. I realize it

comes from tropical astrology, but when there is a conjunction, it is

neither zodiac-dependent nor ayanamsha-dependent, the two excuses

often used to separate astrologies and to mock one or another

(depending on which side of the telescope you are standing!). Since

then conjunction with a malefic sun as opposed to blanket evil of

combustion has entered my consciousness -- whether one believes it or

not!

 

In situations like these, I am reminded of the insistence of

otherwise wise individuals who absolutely warn jyotishis against

mixing jaimini rules with parashari (didn't parashara describe both?)

as if when sun is ruling the ascendant, it cannot serve as a

putrakaraka at the same time. Planets do not wear two hats, depending

on whose party they belong to ;-)

 

I, obviously meant political party, where there is no fun even

possible or the ability to have fun!!

 

RR

 

 

 

, "Prafulla Gang"

<ripra_solutions> wrote:

>

> Shri Ranjan ji,

>

> I have similiar observations on combustion. But, it makes Venus

weak

> for contrast in their attributes (satvik  / rajsik). and if Sun is

> malefic for specific lagna, then will harm the venus and the house

> where it is positioned.

>

> In my limited experience, I have observed, sun damaging the marital

> happiness in 7th house, if with venus and sun being malefic. Else,

it

> will just render venus weak.

>

> Manoj ji, Combustion has got nothing to do with the positive /

> negative effects in absolute sense. and even when moon is close to

> sun, it will not make moon malefic, but will make it cruel ('krur')

> not ashubha ("malefic"). Ramkrishna Paramhansa had moon and sun

> together, but his spiritual pursuation were not damaged.

>

> In my observation, mercury do not become weakened; on the contrary

> (being 'napunsak' planet, it behave per the attributes of sun.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> 

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend Manoj-ji,

> >

> > Your question is valid and perhaps we will get to your request

about

> > looking at case studies.

> >

> > But before that let us examine something, without hang-ups. You

say

> > that you have only read about combustion in books and have not

done a

> > lot of research using charts. And yet you say you are convinced

> > 'rationally' that combustion adversely influences a planet!

Please

> > explain the reasoning that convinces you so.

> >

> > If I recall, books, old and new also state that venus and even

more

> > so mercury are free of the astangata dosha (combustion) because

they

> > are only a maximum of 28 or 45 degrees away from sun and being

> > inferior planets are likely to combust more often. They are like

the

> > cooks who work near the oven all the time and learn to tolerate

the

> > heat. Would you say that is logical and rational? I truly hope

you do!

> >

> > Please be very careful when using logic and rationality to get

> > convinced about astrological tenets. The astrological indicators

may

> > not be working necessarily within the same realm of logic that we

> > acquire for our daily existence. How else would one rationally

> > convince oneself that sun can combust saturn as strongly as it

does

> > mercury and the two are miles apart, literally! The sun hardly

> > reaches saturn, astronomers and astrophysicists tell us and show

> > pictures to prove that!

> >

> > I am tickled pink by your genuinely kind words of praise for

> > being 'typed' as a reputed astrologer but how did you get to that

> > conclusion? Rationally, again?? :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , Manoj Sharma

> > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi.

> > > This is a significant thing coming from an astrologer

> > > of your repute. Well, from my perspective, I wish it

> > > was true as I have Mercury and Sun conjunct in the

> > > first house (Taurus). However, I guess, going by

> > > whatever I have read in the astrological books ( and

> > > merely the astrological books as I haven't reached a

> > > stage where I can do my own research), my rational

> > > mind goads me to conclude that combustion does have

> > > its effect. And if the planet is deeply combusted, it

> > > behaves like a malefic.

> > >

> > > For the sake of my understanding, can you illustrate

> > > some examples where the (benefic) planet gave its full

> > > effect even though it was deeply combusted. However,

> > > if you think it would be inconvenient to you, you may

> > > please ignore this respect. By the way, what city do

> > > you live in Canada?

> > > Have a good weekend.

> > > Manoj Sharma

> > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Anoop,

> > > >

> > > > I have not seen any convincing evidence of

> > > > combustion in the absence

> > > > of other negative influences causing any significant

> > > > dent in a natal

> > > > reading. When sun is malefic and joins another

> > > > planet and afflicts

> > > > it, that is not due to combustion, but because sun

> > > > is malefic!

> > > >

> > > > I would lean towards jupiter being the significator

> > > > for elder brother

> > > > as opposed to mars. Some jyotishis opine that sun

> > > > could be utilized

> > > > as a significator for elder brother, since elder

> > > > brother is

> > > > considered as one of the five father figures

> > > > (father, teacher, father-

> > > > in-law, elder brother, paternal uncle -- if memory

> > > > serves me rightly).

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , anoop

> > > > <anoopvalluva@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All

> > > > >

> > > > > Would the presence of SUN and VENUS (not combust)

> > > > in

> > > > > the 11th house of a native impact the elder

> > > > brother of

> > > > > the native. Will it be favourable or not. Can

> > > > anyone

> > > > > advise. Should we consider Mars also for reading

> > > > about

> > > > > ones elder brother.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Anoop

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam?  Mail has the best spam

> > > > protection around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

Only one request for favour to you. I am much younger to you, in terms

of age and experience both. Please address me by Prafulla only.

 

In fact, I started participating recently, after a long break from

astrology (though reading silently the daily digests) for my

preoccupation with my relocation to india and my new venture. I too,

am pleasantly surprised by your active participation after a long

break. I have always learnt a lot on astrology from you through your

list mails earlier and your articles on your web. I have been quite

frequent visitor to your web, and specially the article on role of

saturn was inspiring.

 

warm regards

Prafulla Gang

 

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla ji,

>

> It is such a treat to hear your voice, clear as ever, strong as ever,

> pragmatic as ever, and currently enlightening on more than one forum!

>

> I have absolutely no reservation in accepting the ability of sun to

> turn malefic, though some may skirt around the fact and be just happy

> calling it Krura! Any planet can turn malefic and any planet can

> express more of its maleficience in certain individuals while it

> expresses less of its maleficience in others born at the same time.

> Someday, I will discuss the charts of two scorpio borns, born just

> several days apart, both with scorpio rising, with the only gross

> difference being in the moon and one of them turned out to be a

> surgeon, the other a serial killer!

>

> Like most jyotishis, I started out blindly believing that all

> combustion is bad. Then I ran into a tropical astrologer who

> demonstrated the power of caizimi (planets within 12 minutes of sun --

>  combustion par-none by jyotish standards) and how it suddenly has

> the most elevating influence on the *combust* planets. I realize it

> comes from tropical astrology, but when there is a conjunction, it is

> neither zodiac-dependent nor ayanamsha-dependent, the two excuses

> often used to separate astrologies and to mock one or another

> (depending on which side of the telescope you are standing!). Since

> then conjunction with a malefic sun as opposed to blanket evil of

> combustion has entered my consciousness -- whether one believes it or

> not!

>

> In situations like these, I am reminded of the insistence of

> otherwise wise individuals who absolutely warn jyotishis against

> mixing jaimini rules with parashari (didn't parashara describe both?)

> as if when sun is ruling the ascendant, it cannot serve as a

> putrakaraka at the same time. Planets do not wear two hats, depending

> on whose party they belong to ;-)

>

> I, obviously meant political party, where there is no fun even

> possible or the ability to have fun!!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , "Prafulla Gang"

> <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Ranjan ji,

> >

> > I have similiar observations on combustion. But, it makes Venus

> weak

> > for contrast in their attributes (satvik  / rajsik). and if Sun is

> > malefic for specific lagna, then will harm the venus and the house

> > where it is positioned.

> >

> > In my limited experience, I have observed, sun damaging the marital

> > happiness in 7th house, if with venus and sun being malefic. Else,

> it

> > will just render venus weak.

> >

> > Manoj ji, Combustion has got nothing to do with the positive /

> > negative effects in absolute sense. and even when moon is close to

> > sun, it will not make moon malefic, but will make it cruel ('krur')

> > not ashubha ("malefic"). Ramkrishna Paramhansa had moon and sun

> > together, but his spiritual pursuation were not damaged.

> >

> > In my observation, mercury do not become weakened; on the contrary

> > (being 'napunsak' planet, it behave per the attributes of sun.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > 

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend Manoj-ji,

> > >

> > > Your question is valid and perhaps we will get to your request

> about

> > > looking at case studies.

> > >

> > > But before that let us examine something, without hang-ups. You

> say

> > > that you have only read about combustion in books and have not

> done a

> > > lot of research using charts. And yet you say you are convinced

> > > 'rationally' that combustion adversely influences a planet!

> Please

> > > explain the reasoning that convinces you so.

> > >

> > > If I recall, books, old and new also state that venus and even

> more

> > > so mercury are free of the astangata dosha (combustion) because

> they

> > > are only a maximum of 28 or 45 degrees away from sun and being

> > > inferior planets are likely to combust more often. They are like

> the

> > > cooks who work near the oven all the time and learn to tolerate

> the

> > > heat. Would you say that is logical and rational? I truly hope

> you do!

> > >

> > > Please be very careful when using logic and rationality to get

> > > convinced about astrological tenets. The astrological indicators

> may

> > > not be working necessarily within the same realm of logic that we

> > > acquire for our daily existence. How else would one rationally

> > > convince oneself that sun can combust saturn as strongly as it

> does

> > > mercury and the two are miles apart, literally! The sun hardly

> > > reaches saturn, astronomers and astrophysicists tell us and show

> > > pictures to prove that!

> > >

> > > I am tickled pink by your genuinely kind words of praise for

> > > being 'typed' as a reputed astrologer but how did you get to that

> > > conclusion? Rationally, again?? :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Manoj Sharma

> > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi.

> > > > This is a significant thing coming from an astrologer

> > > > of your repute. Well, from my perspective, I wish it

> > > > was true as I have Mercury and Sun conjunct in the

> > > > first house (Taurus). However, I guess, going by

> > > > whatever I have read in the astrological books ( and

> > > > merely the astrological books as I haven't reached a

> > > > stage where I can do my own research), my rational

> > > > mind goads me to conclude that combustion does have

> > > > its effect. And if the planet is deeply combusted, it

> > > > behaves like a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > For the sake of my understanding, can you illustrate

> > > > some examples where the (benefic) planet gave its full

> > > > effect even though it was deeply combusted. However,

> > > > if you think it would be inconvenient to you, you may

> > > > please ignore this respect. By the way, what city do

> > > > you live in Canada?

> > > > Have a good weekend.

> > > > Manoj Sharma

> > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Anoop,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not seen any convincing evidence of

> > > > > combustion in the absence

> > > > > of other negative influences causing any significant

> > > > > dent in a natal

> > > > > reading. When sun is malefic and joins another

> > > > > planet and afflicts

> > > > > it, that is not due to combustion, but because sun

> > > > > is malefic!

> > > > >

> > > > > I would lean towards jupiter being the significator

> > > > > for elder brother

> > > > > as opposed to mars. Some jyotishis opine that sun

> > > > > could be utilized

> > > > > as a significator for elder brother, since elder

> > > > > brother is

> > > > > considered as one of the five father figures

> > > > > (father, teacher, father-

> > > > > in-law, elder brother, paternal uncle -- if memory

> > > > > serves me rightly).

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , anoop

> > > > > <anoopvalluva@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi All

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would the presence of SUN and VENUS (not combust)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the 11th house of a native impact the elder

> > > > > brother of

> > > > > > the native. Will it be favourable or not. Can

> > > > > anyone

> > > > > > advise. Should we consider Mars also for reading

> > > > > about

> > > > > > ones elder brother.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please advise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Anoop

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam?  Mail has the best spam

> > > > > protection around

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla,

 

Whatever makes you more comfortable. But as I stated publicly a few

weeks ago -- I respect only those who have actually demonstrated

academic clarity and brilliance consistently and not those who just

claim the same.

 

If I showed respect to your or anyone else's efforts, publicly or

privately, it was genuine appreciation and not just influenced by

what they wrote and if it at all or how it jived with my own human

understanding of reality, as it is.

 

I sincerely believe that we 'jyotishis/astrologers' (a slim and

easily squashed minority in this worldly realm -- the REALITY outside

this and similar newsgroups!) are standing precariously on an island

of truth which is crumbling at its edges and dissolving into the

ocean of uncertainty that surrounds us ordinary humans (majority) and

the worst we can do to this infrastructure on which we stand and

which keeps us alive is to hold on to each other and not fight

amongst ourselves. The more we fight, the more the ground we stand on

vanishes in the ocean of uncertainty. That would be counterproductive

and assure our extinction and worse -- temporary extinction of the

TRUTH.

 

Of course I am just being human!

 

RR

 

 

, "Prafulla Gang"

<ripra_solutions> wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> Only one request for favour to you. I am much younger to you, in

terms

> of age and experience both. Please address me by Prafulla only.

>

> In fact, I started participating recently, after a long break from

> astrology (though reading silently the daily digests) for my

> preoccupation with my relocation to india and my new venture. I too,

> am pleasantly surprised by your active participation after a long

> break. I have always learnt a lot on astrology from you through your

> list mails earlier and your articles on your web. I have been quite

> frequent visitor to your web, and specially the article on role of

> saturn was inspiring.

>

> warm regards

> Prafulla Gang

>  

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prafulla ji,

> >

> > It is such a treat to hear your voice, clear as ever, strong as

ever,

> > pragmatic as ever, and currently enlightening on more than one

forum!

> >

> > I have absolutely no reservation in accepting the ability of sun

to

> > turn malefic, though some may skirt around the fact and be just

happy

> > calling it Krura! Any planet can turn malefic and any planet can

> > express more of its maleficience in certain individuals while it

> > expresses less of its maleficience in others born at the same

time.

> > Someday, I will discuss the charts of two scorpio borns, born

just

> > several days apart, both with scorpio rising, with the only gross

> > difference being in the moon and one of them turned out to be a

> > surgeon, the other a serial killer!

> >

> > Like most jyotishis, I started out blindly believing that all

> > combustion is bad. Then I ran into a tropical astrologer who

> > demonstrated the power of caizimi (planets within 12 minutes of

sun --

> >  combustion par-none by jyotish standards) and how it suddenly

has

> > the most elevating influence on the *combust* planets. I realize

it

> > comes from tropical astrology, but when there is a conjunction,

it is

> > neither zodiac-dependent nor ayanamsha-dependent, the two excuses

> > often used to separate astrologies and to mock one or another

> > (depending on which side of the telescope you are standing!).

Since

> > then conjunction with a malefic sun as opposed to blanket evil of

> > combustion has entered my consciousness -- whether one believes

it or

> > not!

> >

> > In situations like these, I am reminded of the insistence of

> > otherwise wise individuals who absolutely warn jyotishis against

> > mixing jaimini rules with parashari (didn't parashara describe

both?)

> > as if when sun is ruling the ascendant, it cannot serve as a

> > putrakaraka at the same time. Planets do not wear two hats,

depending

> > on whose party they belong to ;-)

> >

> > I, obviously meant political party, where there is no fun even

> > possible or the ability to have fun!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Prafulla Gang"

> > <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > I have similiar observations on combustion. But, it makes Venus

> > weak

> > > for contrast in their attributes (satvik  / rajsik). and if Sun

is

> > > malefic for specific lagna, then will harm the venus and the

house

> > > where it is positioned.

> > >

> > > In my limited experience, I have observed, sun damaging the

marital

> > > happiness in 7th house, if with venus and sun being malefic.

Else,

> > it

> > > will just render venus weak.

> > >

> > > Manoj ji, Combustion has got nothing to do with the positive /

> > > negative effects in absolute sense. and even when moon is close

to

> > > sun, it will not make moon malefic, but will make it cruel

('krur')

> > > not ashubha ("malefic"). Ramkrishna Paramhansa had moon and sun

> > > together, but his spiritual pursuation were not damaged.

> > >

> > > In my observation, mercury do not become weakened; on the

contrary

> > > (being 'napunsak' planet, it behave per the attributes of sun.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > 

> > > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friend Manoj-ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your question is valid and perhaps we will get to your

request

> > about

> > > > looking at case studies.

> > > >

> > > > But before that let us examine something, without hang-ups.

You

> > say

> > > > that you have only read about combustion in books and have

not

> > done a

> > > > lot of research using charts. And yet you say you are

convinced

> > > > 'rationally' that combustion adversely influences a planet!

> > Please

> > > > explain the reasoning that convinces you so.

> > > >

> > > > If I recall, books, old and new also state that venus and

even

> > more

> > > > so mercury are free of the astangata dosha (combustion)

because

> > they

> > > > are only a maximum of 28 or 45 degrees away from sun and

being

> > > > inferior planets are likely to combust more often. They are

like

> > the

> > > > cooks who work near the oven all the time and learn to

tolerate

> > the

> > > > heat. Would you say that is logical and rational? I truly

hope

> > you do!

> > > >

> > > > Please be very careful when using logic and rationality to

get

> > > > convinced about astrological tenets. The astrological

indicators

> > may

> > > > not be working necessarily within the same realm of logic

that we

> > > > acquire for our daily existence. How else would one

rationally

> > > > convince oneself that sun can combust saturn as strongly as

it

> > does

> > > > mercury and the two are miles apart, literally! The sun

hardly

> > > > reaches saturn, astronomers and astrophysicists tell us and

show

> > > > pictures to prove that!

> > > >

> > > > I am tickled pink by your genuinely kind words of praise for

> > > > being 'typed' as a reputed astrologer but how did you get to

that

> > > > conclusion? Rationally, again?? :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Manoj Sharma

> > > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi.

> > > > > This is a significant thing coming from an astrologer

> > > > > of your repute. Well, from my perspective, I wish it

> > > > > was true as I have Mercury and Sun conjunct in the

> > > > > first house (Taurus). However, I guess, going by

> > > > > whatever I have read in the astrological books ( and

> > > > > merely the astrological books as I haven't reached a

> > > > > stage where I can do my own research), my rational

> > > > > mind goads me to conclude that combustion does have

> > > > > its effect. And if the planet is deeply combusted, it

> > > > > behaves like a malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the sake of my understanding, can you illustrate

> > > > > some examples where the (benefic) planet gave its full

> > > > > effect even though it was deeply combusted. However,

> > > > > if you think it would be inconvenient to you, you may

> > > > > please ignore this respect. By the way, what city do

> > > > > you live in Canada?

> > > > > Have a good weekend.

> > > > > Manoj Sharma

> > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Anoop,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have not seen any convincing evidence of

> > > > > > combustion in the absence

> > > > > > of other negative influences causing any significant

> > > > > > dent in a natal

> > > > > > reading. When sun is malefic and joins another

> > > > > > planet and afflicts

> > > > > > it, that is not due to combustion, but because sun

> > > > > > is malefic!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would lean towards jupiter being the significator

> > > > > > for elder brother

> > > > > > as opposed to mars. Some jyotishis opine that sun

> > > > > > could be utilized

> > > > > > as a significator for elder brother, since elder

> > > > > > brother is

> > > > > > considered as one of the five father figures

> > > > > > (father, teacher, father-

> > > > > > in-law, elder brother, paternal uncle -- if memory

> > > > > > serves me rightly).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , anoop

> > > > > > <anoopvalluva@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi All

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Would the presence of SUN and VENUS (not combust)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the 11th house of a native impact the elder

> > > > > > brother of

> > > > > > > the native. Will it be favourable or not. Can

> > > > > > anyone

> > > > > > > advise. Should we consider Mars also for reading

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > ones elder brother.

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> > > > > > > Please advise.

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> > > > > > > Anoop

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