Overlapping theories, saturn results etc

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Dear Ranjan ji

 

You are absolutely right. Under different systems, the role can not

change.

 

Keeping astrology simple is vital and so many complicating theories,

often overlapping each other - creates lots of confusion to my limited

mental faculties. I stick to basics and avoid getting into overlapping

rules, unless exceptions can be applied consistently.

 

(Little off the subject of sun / venus and combustion) while

evaluating the role of sade sati - you are absolutely correct in point

out the role of saurn's attributes in getting results. Typically, the

astrologers engaged in panchang writing advised me that during sade

sati - ignore the role of dasa bhukti read with saturn giving

proportionate results for the systematic efforts and patience

exercised (for bhagya cease to work, and only karma delivers). Did you

observe the role of saturn getting modified in cold climates (say

western world or IT industry or luxurious offices with efficient

atmosphere)- and saturn giving excellent results (boom of IT industry

in Southern India is working well against other industries in the

similar region). Effecient working mechanics will lead to better

saturn results. Middle East has been a extreme hot weather, and with

effective air conditioning etc, saturn has affected great results for

their growth. Many may not like to correlate astrology with efficency,

but at some stage- when we talk of events and results, the planet got

to be seen/observed for an astrological interpretations. Likewise

machine tool worker / construction worker earns less (governed by

saturn); and worker in good atmosphere (say IT workforce) earns well.

Like any other results, there may be role of other planets (mercury,

venus, mars, rahu etc...), but my point is to stress on gear of saturn.

 

I may be on wrong foot, while assuming the above indications of saturn

at large. BTW, for leo lagna, saturn is assumed malefic traditionally

and sade sati too; in my experience - I done well; and if If I

correlate the above, it fits well.

 

Warm regards / Prafulla Gang

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>(

> Dear Prafulla ji,

>

> It is such a treat to hear your voice, clear as ever, strong as ever,

> pragmatic as ever, and currently enlightening on more than one forum!

>

> I have absolutely no reservation in accepting the ability of sun to

> turn malefic, though some may skirt around the fact and be just happy

> calling it Krura! Any planet can turn malefic and any planet can

> express more of its maleficience in certain individuals while it

> expresses less of its maleficience in others born at the same time.

> Someday, I will discuss the charts of two scorpio borns, born just

> several days apart, both with scorpio rising, with the only gross

> difference being in the moon and one of them turned out to be a

> surgeon, the other a serial killer!

>

> Like most jyotishis, I started out blindly believing that all

> combustion is bad. Then I ran into a tropical astrologer who

> demonstrated the power of caizimi (planets within 12 minutes of sun --

>  combustion par-none by jyotish standards) and how it suddenly has

> the most elevating influence on the *combust* planets. I realize it

> comes from tropical astrology, but when there is a conjunction, it is

> neither zodiac-dependent nor ayanamsha-dependent, the two excuses

> often used to separate astrologies and to mock one or another

> (depending on which side of the telescope you are standing!). Since

> then conjunction with a malefic sun as opposed to blanket evil of

> combustion has entered my consciousness -- whether one believes it or

> not!

>

> In situations like these, I am reminded of the insistence of

> otherwise wise individuals who absolutely warn jyotishis against

> mixing jaimini rules with parashari (didn't parashara describe both?)

> as if when sun is ruling the ascendant, it cannot serve as a

> putrakaraka at the same time. Planets do not wear two hats, depending

> on whose party they belong to ;-)

>

> I, obviously meant political party, where there is no fun even

> possible or the ability to have fun!!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , "Prafulla Gang"

> <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Ranjan ji,

> >

> > I have similiar observations on combustion. But, it makes Venus

> weak

> > for contrast in their attributes (satvik  / rajsik). and if Sun is

> > malefic for specific lagna, then will harm the venus and the house

> > where it is positioned.

> >

> > In my limited experience, I have observed, sun damaging the marital

> > happiness in 7th house, if with venus and sun being malefic. Else,

> it

> > will just render venus weak.

> >

> > Manoj ji, Combustion has got nothing to do with the positive /

> > negative effects in absolute sense. and even when moon is close to

> > sun, it will not make moon malefic, but will make it cruel ('krur')

> > not ashubha ("malefic"). Ramkrishna Paramhansa had moon and sun

> > together, but his spiritual pursuation were not damaged.

> >

> > In my observation, mercury do not become weakened; on the contrary

> > (being 'napunsak' planet, it behave per the attributes of sun.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > 

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend Manoj-ji,

> > >

> > > Your question is valid and perhaps we will get to your request

> about

> > > looking at case studies.

> > >

> > > But before that let us examine something, without hang-ups. You

> say

> > > that you have only read about combustion in books and have not

> done a

> > > lot of research using charts. And yet you say you are convinced

> > > 'rationally' that combustion adversely influences a planet!

> Please

> > > explain the reasoning that convinces you so.

> > >

> > > If I recall, books, old and new also state that venus and even

> more

> > > so mercury are free of the astangata dosha (combustion) because

> they

> > > are only a maximum of 28 or 45 degrees away from sun and being

> > > inferior planets are likely to combust more often. They are like

> the

> > > cooks who work near the oven all the time and learn to tolerate

> the

> > > heat. Would you say that is logical and rational? I truly hope

> you do!

> > >

> > > Please be very careful when using logic and rationality to get

> > > convinced about astrological tenets. The astrological indicators

> may

> > > not be working necessarily within the same realm of logic that we

> > > acquire for our daily existence. How else would one rationally

> > > convince oneself that sun can combust saturn as strongly as it

> does

> > > mercury and the two are miles apart, literally! The sun hardly

> > > reaches saturn, astronomers and astrophysicists tell us and show

> > > pictures to prove that!

> > >

> > > I am tickled pink by your genuinely kind words of praise for

> > > being 'typed' as a reputed astrologer but how did you get to that

> > > conclusion? Rationally, again?? :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Manoj Sharma

> > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi.

> > > > This is a significant thing coming from an astrologer

> > > > of your repute. Well, from my perspective, I wish it

> > > > was true as I have Mercury and Sun conjunct in the

> > > > first house (Taurus). However, I guess, going by

> > > > whatever I have read in the astrological books ( and

> > > > merely the astrological books as I haven't reached a

> > > > stage where I can do my own research), my rational

> > > > mind goads me to conclude that combustion does have

> > > > its effect. And if the planet is deeply combusted, it

> > > > behaves like a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > For the sake of my understanding, can you illustrate

> > > > some examples where the (benefic) planet gave its full

> > > > effect even though it was deeply combusted. However,

> > > > if you think it would be inconvenient to you, you may

> > > > please ignore this respect. By the way, what city do

> > > > you live in Canada?

> > > > Have a good weekend.

> > > > Manoj Sharma

> > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Anoop,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not seen any convincing evidence of

> > > > > combustion in the absence

> > > > > of other negative influences causing any significant

> > > > > dent in a natal

> > > > > reading. When sun is malefic and joins another

> > > > > planet and afflicts

> > > > > it, that is not due to combustion, but because sun

> > > > > is malefic!

> > > > >

> > > > > I would lean towards jupiter being the significator

> > > > > for elder brother

> > > > > as opposed to mars. Some jyotishis opine that sun

> > > > > could be utilized

> > > > > as a significator for elder brother, since elder

> > > > > brother is

> > > > > considered as one of the five father figures

> > > > > (father, teacher, father-

> > > > > in-law, elder brother, paternal uncle -- if memory

> > > > > serves me rightly).

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , anoop

> > > > > <anoopvalluva@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi All

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would the presence of SUN and VENUS (not combust)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the 11th house of a native impact the elder

> > > > > brother of

> > > > > > the native. Will it be favourable or not. Can

> > > > > anyone

> > > > > > advise. Should we consider Mars also for reading

> > > > > about

> > > > > > ones elder brother.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please advise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Anoop

> > > > > >

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