Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on May 23, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

PAMHO. AGTSP!

you wrote:

 

> In case you did not notice: I posted two texts. You commented only on the

> less important one.

 

You had warned me previously:

 

> Here are my comments on what you just wrote. No discussion on these points

> please.

 

So I skipped the post since I was not ‘allowed’ to rebut your points. You

continue;

 

> In your last text you have proven that if Srila Prabhupada did not act

> according to Krishna's plan, then he would not have been a bona fide

> spiritual master.

 

Thank you. This means that if he was bona fide he did act according to

Krishna's plan.

 

> But that was not your claim. So again you have wasted time proving

> something that I did not ask you to prove. Your claim was:

>

> If it was not Krishna’s plan to have Srila Prabhupada become the sole

> diksa guru for ISKCON in 1966, then Srila Prabhupada would not have been a

> bona fide spiritual master.

 

Since we all agree Srila Prabhupada did become the sole diksa guru for

ISKCON in 1966 then either:

 

This was Krishna’s plan.

Or

It was not Krishna’s plan.

 

If it was not then that would mean Srila Prabhupada was acting in defiance

of Krishna’s plan, not only in 1966 but right through till 1977. Obviously a

bone fide guru does not do this; act in defiance of Krishna’s plan for years

on end, and even broadcast this fact to the world and all his followers.

 

If it WAS Krishna’s plan then that would mean Srila Prabhupada wanted to

become the sole diksa guru for ISKCON in order to fulfil it. Case closed.

 

So in the IRM we have faith that the former is the case. If you do not

that's fair enough: so go find a guru you have faith in.

 

You then go on:

 

> I shall now show in two ways that this statement is wrong. First let us

> look at the contrapositive (which is equivalent):

>

> If Srila Prabhupada was a bona fide spiritual master, then it was

> Krishna’s plan to have Srila Prabhupada become the sole diksa guru.

>

> So you as a conditioned soul with an imperfect brain claim that you know

> Krishna's plan. You must be kidding.

 

This is a particularly foolish point you have made here, and this in a field

of stiff competition.

 

By seeing what Srila Prabhupada did we can know what was Krishna’s plan

since that is the purpose of the guru, to follow and show us Krishna's plan.

Since Srila Prabhupada went to elaborate lenghts to set himself up as the

sole diksa guru for ISKCON in 1966, and perpetuated this status quo right

till his departure in 1977, then this must have been Krishna’s plan given

the fact we all agree he was a bona fide guru (i.e., a guru who acts

according to Krishna's plan).

 

How can you not understand this? My 8 year old child can understand this!!!

 

My 'imperfect brain' has nothing to do with Srila Prabhupada’s perfect

actions in the service of Sri Krishna’s plan. If we consider Srila

Prabhupada bona fide then we simply need to see what he did to know

Krishna’s plan. If he was not following Krishna’s plan then our whole debate

would be meaningless.

Hope that is clearer for you now

Best wishes

Ys

Yadu

 

P.S. Yes, Krishnakant is indeed very expert and has made total mincemeat of

poor old Hector the great mathematician.