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Hare Krsna,Dear ShanracermIf we Only Get One Birth Then What happens When We Go To heaven or Hell>>That is Also A Rebirth!! I will Let Srila Prabhupada Explain With the Post I am, Posting Now,Your Servant,Jaya Kesava Dasa

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  Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:54 PM

  Re: A good question about Reincarnation - - -

 

 

  > human re-birth is only for Yoga bhrasta. Yogra bhrastha is who

  reached >the goal but slipped due to some mistake.

 

  Prakki you keep repeating the same old b**t that Gita doesnt allow

  rebirth, that we only get one chance, that Hinduism is wrong, and

  Christians are right, that even if are reborn it will be as

  animal....and so on.  you dont have anything new to say??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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human re-birth is only for Yoga bhrasta. Yogra bhrastha is who reached the goal but slipped due to some mistake.

  

  Ex: Sudarsana (in Vaikuntha) got momentarily egoistic in front of  Lord Narayana. So he was sent down to know his capability and hence borned as Kartaveeryarjuna. Latter on after death, he went to Vaikuntha once again.

  

  otherwise there is no human birth.

  

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Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba > wrote:

  People who believe in reincarnation.....

If people are reincarnated as other beings, why does the human

population keep increasing unless we are killing of the earth

everyday. I am curious how is the cycle perpetuated. If we are

reincarnated does that mean there are a set number of living beings

or are new ones being born. If they are being born, where do they

come from?

           

 

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> human re-birth is only for Yoga bhrasta. Yogra bhrastha is who

reached >the goal but slipped due to some mistake.

 

Prakki you keep repeating the same old b**t that Gita doesnt allow

rebirth, that we only get one chance, that Hinduism is wrong, and

Christians are right, that even if are reborn it will be as

animal....and so on.  you dont have anything new to say??

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shanracer <no_reply wrote:

You are right Shanracer. Shri Krishna has again and again reconfirmed

the cycle of re-incarnation. In Gita he says :-

 

जातसà¥à¤¯ हि धà¥à¤°à¥à¤µà¥‹

मृतà¥à¤¯à¥à¤§à¥à¤°à¥à¤µà¤‚ जनà¥à¤®

मृतà¥à¤¸à¤¯ च

 

तसà¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¦à¤ªà¤°à¤¿à¤¹à¤¾à¤°à¥à¤¯à¥‡ न

तà¥à¤µà¤‚ शोचितà¥à¤®à¤°à¥à¤¹à¤¸à¤¿

 

The one who has taken birth, his death is sure and the one who dies must

take re-birth, so you should be sad while doing your duty (2-27)

 

Shri Krishna further says

 

बहà¥à¤¨à¤¿ मे वà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥€à¤¤à¤¾à¤¨à¤¿

जनà¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¨à¤¿ तव चारà¥à¤œà¥à¤¨

तानà¥à¤¯à¤¹à¤‚ वेद

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤£à¤¿ न तà¥à¤µà¤‚ वेतà¥à¤¥

परनà¥à¤¤à¤ª

 

Hey Arjuna you and I have undergone many births before now. The

difference is that I remember all of them, but you dont.

(Gita 4-5)

 

Hence for us re-incarnation is a fact. The Karma theory does not

work if there is no incarnation. How can we then give reasons for our

sufferings and pains and rewards without doing any thing for them in

this birth ?

 

Hari Aum

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The human incarnation comes in every generation but you are not coming in every generation. The rebirth as human being is almost impossible and completely impossible as per Christianity. In such case you are having only one chance to contact the human incarnation present in your generation. If you miss this, never again this luck comes. The next meeting with God is direct where He acts as judge. Therefore, there is no second coming of Jesus for you and you will meet God finally only. In this way the second coming of Jesus at the end can be understood. But if you say that you cannot meet the human incarnation in your present generation, you are not having the opportunity even for once. In such case, why a particular generation in which God came in human form as Jesus was only blessed? They had the extra fortune and this means God is partial to that generation. Therefore, every person in every generation will have the equal chance of coming in contact with the human

incarnation once in his or her life and the final contact with God in the energetic form as judge. Therefore, the impartial God comes again and again for every generation (Yada Yada hi…..Gita) but you are not having the chance to meet the human incarnation again since you have no human rebirth. One may get the human rebirth in extreme exceptional situation and you should not depend on that because it involves high risk.

  

  The human birth, the urge for salvation and coming in contact with the human incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance increases from left to right in the order. Therefore, simply having the human birth and having the urge by taking orange robe are not sufficient. Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right knowledge for correct implementation, everything is waste (Manushyatvam Mumukshatvam, Mahapurasha Samsrayah, Durlabham—Sankara). There is no quarrel if you say that the second coming of Jesus is only at the end because everyone is having the equal chance. But if you say that I have to worship the past human incarnation only even in the present generation, then the equal opportunity is not given to Me when I am compared to the human being present in that generation in which Jesus came directly and clarified all the doubts face to face. I must have such equal privilege and here the quarrel comes with you since you deny the equal

opportunity. The second coming is final with respect to every human being but not with respect to God because in such case several human generations miss the chance of direct contact with God in human form except that one particular human generation.

  

  Even if you say that Jesus told that His second coming is only final, it is true with respect to every human being and not with respect to Him. You have misinterpreted this statement by extending it with reference to Jesus also because you want to exploit the people in the name of past Jesus and get personal fame and other facilities from the devotees. You are in no way different from the priests present in that time of Jesus. Both of you do not admit the human form of Lord. Both of you keep the past which is invisible (invisible Jehova or invisible Jesus) before the devotees and earn money and fame. The only difference between you both is that that priest got Jesus killed through the court and you cannot do that in the present time. The repulsion towards the human form before eyes is common to both the priests and devotees.

  

  But in the case of priests there is an extra factor that they may lose fame and offerings from the devotees because they get benefited standing at the back ground of the invisible form of God or inert form of God. In the case of devotees, this extra factor does not exist because they are prepared to sacrifice for God and they are not losing since they do not receive.. Any Guru or Priest immediately resists human form of God based on these two factors since he fears that the human form may get the fame or their offerings. Thus, there is political, economical and social issue of psychology in this spiritual line. Attraction to fame and money associated with jealously and egoism is the main back ground and Lord Datta brings out the truth that is buried up to any depth. All the details of truth are known to the omniscient God. Veda says that the knowledge of God is always based on truth (Satyam Jnamam).

  

    posted by: His servant

  at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

  www.universal-spirituality.org

 

shanracer <no_reply> wrote:

  Prakki you keep repeating the same old b**t that Gita doesnt allow

rebirth, that we only get one chance, that Hinduism is wrong, and

Christians are right, that even if are reborn it will be as

animal....and so on.  you dont have anything new to say??

           

 

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