Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Om Namah Sivaya "Those that are of low tendencies seek occult powers which help in healing diseases, winning lawsuits, walking on water and such other things. True devotees seek nothing but the lotus-feet of the Lord." ----Sri Ramakrishna Question: What about the powers of so-called supermen? Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or low, whether of the mind or of a supermind, they exist only with reference to the one who has the power. Find out who that is. Sivaya Namah Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Om Namah Shivayah! I have a question here, why anybody (has to seek only) 'seeks' occult powers? They(powers or siddhis) can come on its own in the process of his/her own sadhana, and this happens mostly with shaiva - shaktheya sadhakas. But they are just the signposts in their sadhanas and that does not by any means, means they are of 'low tendencies' neither it should be assumed that they are attached to them(exceptions may be there). Some people may try to seek purposefully some powers for some aims, but that is entirely different issue and they are not to be compared with Genuine Sadhakas and Meditators. Yes, even Buddha, Jesus, Krishna Healed other people. They had powers and They were selfless, so my Point is as long as a Sadhaka is proceeding in the Path of Selflessness and is of an holy intention to help others and put others also in the path of Sadhana is doing only KarmaYoga and serving others in the society, than to sit all the time cross-legged in a Forest. I think Negative Powers are Wrong and Also Powerless ness is also wrong. Positive Power is always useful. And Lord Shiva has told in so many Tantra Shastras about (Occult) Powers(Shakthi), for the Benifit of Sadhakas Only and they(Tantras) are very true. > Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or low, whether of the mind or of a >supermind, they exist only with reference to the one who has the power. Find out who that is. This an infinite loop.....finding out who it is?......I dont know How many in 'Thiruvannamallai' found out? But they definitely miss the Life(If they are not productive and not help others). First of all everything is SHIVA mayam, we know all that, Still we need to live a Life, and this life, Just like Shiva lived his life with his own family, wife Parvathy, Sons Ganesha and Kumaraswamy and all friends in Kailasha happily. Celebration, Dancing and Rejoicing , Love, Compassion, Sharing, Universalness, Rebelliousness(against injustice), Yoga, Meditations, Tantra and Mantra are the identifiers of any Staunch Shaivite I suppose. Shaivism is not against Shakthi or its fruits to be consumed and shared. As long as the motive is not selfish, it is ok, if he/she is graced with powers by the Shiva. How can a sadhaka be powerless and still call himself a sadhaka? And if he misuses them, The Karma will take care of him/her and will fall down into lower levels. So it is a Tightrope walk and one must be alert, discriminative, Selfless, Compassionate, Intuitive in the issue of Using Powers, if at all he/her had any, and always should be benifit of others. Om Namah Shivayah! anand , Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya > > "Those that are of low tendencies seek occult powers which help in healing diseases, winning lawsuits, walking on water and such other things. True devotees seek nothing but the lotus-feet of the Lord." > ----Sri Ramakrishna > Question: What about the powers of so-called supermen? > > Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or low, whether of the mind or of a supermind, they exist only with reference to the one who has the power. Find out who that is. > > > > > Sivaya Namah > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 anand, i dont agree with you that deciplese who sit silently close to maharishi miss the life or are non productive and not help other maharishi is right that real diksha is in silence otherwise mind keep on bringing doubts, i just came from thiruvannamallal i was drawn into silence of mind and that was one of the most beatiful experience i have i wish i could repeat that but it has to come on its own. so my point is the ramana maharishi even by not physically there help others by guiding the adevetta philosophy of vedas in its essence and maharishi always recommend anyone path of grihasti and selfless service to others and his was destiny to be a perfect renunciate. ram >> > > This an infinite loop.....finding out who it > is?......I dont know How > many in 'Thiruvannamallai' found out? But they > definitely miss the > Life(If they are not productive and not help > others). First of all > everything is SHIVA mayam, we know all that, Still > we need to live a > Life, and this life, Just like Shiva lived his life > with his own family, > wife Parvathy, Sons Ganesha and Kumaraswamy and all > friends in Kailasha > happily. Celebration, Dancing and Rejoicing , Love, > Compassion, Sharing, > Universalness, Rebelliousness(against injustice), > Yoga, Meditations, > Tantra and Mantra are the identifiers of any Staunch > Shaivite I suppose. > Shaivism is not against Shakthi or its fruits to be > consumed and shared. > As long as the motive is not selfish, it is ok, if > he/she is graced with > powers by the Shiva. How can a sadhaka be powerless > and still call > himself a sadhaka? And if he misuses them, The Karma > will take care of > him/her and will fall down into lower levels. So it > is a Tightrope walk > and one must be alert, discriminative, Selfless, > Compassionate, > Intuitive in the issue of Using Powers, if at all > he/her had any, and > always should be benifit of others. > > Om Namah Shivayah! > > anand > > > > > , > Selvaratnam Selvakumar > <selvauk> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > "Those that are of low tendencies seek occult > powers which help in > healing diseases, winning lawsuits, walking on water > and such other > things. True devotees seek nothing but the > lotus-feet of the Lord." > > ----Sri Ramakrishna > > Question: What about the powers of so-called > supermen? > > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or > low, whether of the > mind or of a supermind, they exist only with > reference to the one who > has the power. Find out who that is. > > > > > > > > > > Sivaya Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading > pane. Get the new > Mail. > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hi, I am a Hindu and i fail to understand that why do americans turn towards ISLAM rather than hinduism? There are very few americans who turn to hinduism, even the philosophy is too high. May be the lack of absolute monotheism, which ultimately doesnt satisfy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hara Hara Mahadeva ShambhoShankara!!! Yes Sir You are right! But...... My Point is also that, That Silence should be an inner phenomenon. Once you are totally Silent and become a witness, the stillness of Shiva is inside you, The eternal Smashana Vairagya(The whole Universe as nothing but a funeral ground - So Silent!) Then there is no need for you to renunciate anything externally nor to accept it............nothing should effect you , so no need to runaway..... You cannot declare/deny a dream, you cannot kill a dead snake, Same is the same with all so called Showing(Expressers) of their renunciation. Only if it effects you, you will be against it right? And as long it effects you, you are not out of its influence. So Renunciation is internal , centred and it should happen by itself. And to Sustain that, you need the inner power to face the external realities of life, right in the middle of the Action. Be there. The real Test is given in the Bazar, on the real ground of Action. No where else to go, they are all temporary symbolisms and solaces to you. One must Escape from Escapism and stand in the Kurukshetra well equipped. And there is no question of grihasthi or non- grihasthi, they don't matter to such a person.There is no Kala, only MahaKala! Om Namah Shivayah! Shambho Mahadeva!! Shiva Parabrahmanney Namah!!! Jai MA KALI!!!! anand , Rajinder Nath <jinderman> wrote: > > anand, > i dont agree with you that deciplese who sit silently > close to maharishi > miss the life or are non productive and not help other > maharishi > is right that real diksha is in silence otherwise mind > keep on bringing > doubts, > i just came from thiruvannamallal i was drawn into > silence of mind > and that was one of the most beatiful experience i > have i wish i could repeat that but it has to come on > its own. > so my point is the ramana maharishi even by not > physically there > help others by guiding the adevetta philosophy of > vedas in its essence > and maharishi always recommend anyone path of > grihasti and selfless > service to others and his was destiny to be a perfect > renunciate. > ram > >> > > > > This an infinite loop.....finding out who it > > is?......I dont know How > > many in 'Thiruvannamallai' found out? But they > > definitely miss the > > Life(If they are not productive and not help > > others). First of all > > everything is SHIVA mayam, we know all that, Still > > we need to live a > > Life, and this life, Just like Shiva lived his life > > with his own family, > > wife Parvathy, Sons Ganesha and Kumaraswamy and all > > friends in Kailasha > > happily. Celebration, Dancing and Rejoicing , Love, > > Compassion, Sharing, > > Universalness, Rebelliousness(against injustice), > > Yoga, Meditations, > > Tantra and Mantra are the identifiers of any Staunch > > Shaivite I suppose. > > Shaivism is not against Shakthi or its fruits to be > > consumed and shared. > > As long as the motive is not selfish, it is ok, if > > he/she is graced with > > powers by the Shiva. How can a sadhaka be powerless > > and still call > > himself a sadhaka? And if he misuses them, The Karma > > will take care of > > him/her and will fall down into lower levels. So it > > is a Tightrope walk > > and one must be alert, discriminative, Selfless, > > Compassionate, > > Intuitive in the issue of Using Powers, if at all > > he/her had any, and > > always should be benifit of others. > > > > Om Namah Shivayah! > > > > anand > > > > > > > > > > , > > Selvaratnam Selvakumar > > <selvauk@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > "Those that are of low tendencies seek occult > > powers which help in > > healing diseases, winning lawsuits, walking on water > > and such other > > things. True devotees seek nothing but the > > lotus-feet of the Lord." > > > ----Sri Ramakrishna > > > Question: What about the powers of so-called > > supermen? > > > > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or > > low, whether of the > > mind or of a supermind, they exist only with > > reference to the one who > > has the power. Find out who that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaya Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading > > pane. Get the new > > Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Dear Friend One reason might be, Both Islam and Christianity Actively Encourage Conversions and they Concede even Forced Conversions to their Religions. Where as Hinduism has no Agenda as Such to keep on Converting other religion people. The very Concept does not exixst due to historical and as to the very Universal nature of Hinduism. Hindus don't have any Mass Conversions Programmes like Islam Promotes so Violently in this World. But Many Westerners have studied Hindu Sacred Scriptures, Have been Blessed by Many Gurus etc, and Have become themselves a many great Sadhakas and Siddhas. Om Namah Shivayah! anand , "»-(¯`v´¯)-»M駧ïÅh»-(¯`v´¯)-»" <lightofasia> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am a Hindu and i fail to understand that why do americans turn > towards ISLAM rather than hinduism? There are very few americans who > turn to hinduism, even the philosophy is too high. > > May be the lack of absolute monotheism, which ultimately doesnt satisfy them. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 religions are man made. hence conversion is meaningless. namasivayam --- aghorabhairav <aghorabhairav .au> wrote: > > Dear Friend > > One reason might be, Both Islam and Christianity > Actively Encourage > Conversions and they Concede even Forced Conversions > to their Religions. > > Where as Hinduism has no Agenda as Such to keep on > Converting other > religion people. The very Concept does not exixst > due to historical and > as to the very Universal nature of Hinduism. > > Hindus don't have any Mass Conversions Programmes > like Islam Promotes > so Violently in this World. > > But Many Westerners have studied Hindu Sacred > Scriptures, Have been > Blessed by Many Gurus etc, and Have become > themselves a many great > Sadhakas and Siddhas. > > Om Namah Shivayah! > > anand > > > , > "�-(�`v��)-�M駧��h�-(�`v��)-�" > <lightofasia> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am a Hindu and i fail to understand that why do > americans turn > > towards ISLAM rather than hinduism? There are very > few americans who > > turn to hinduism, even the philosophy is too high. > > > > May be the lack of absolute monotheism, which > ultimately doesnt > satisfy them. > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 dear Anand you are absolute right if we do our karma without seeking wishfull results thats enough. life itself is a dream in a dream. maharishi ramana as i see last sage of this century we have lot others who seek material results or want to be famous in international starving communities of quick miracle seeker thanks rajinder > > > > ----Sri Ramakrishna > > > > Question: What about the powers of so-called > > > supermen? > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high > or > > > low, whether of the > > > mind or of a supermind, they exist only with > > > reference to the one who > > > has the power. Find out who that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaya Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading > > > pane. Get the new > > > Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Rajinder In the below message of yours, You said about doing karma without seeking wishful results etc...Nishkama Karma is o.k. But you said after that has no connection at all to the above statement or Conclusion... > maharishi ramana as i see last sage of this century so what? You see, in what way it (Maharshi Ramana being a last sage etc....) has got anything to do, "express your own self?" Why hide behind another? Nobody denied here that Maharshi Ramana is not a great sage. But are YOU? That is the question....How Shiva has Written our destiny? Where are we heading? > we have > lot others who seek material results or want to be > famous > in international starving communities of quick > miracle seeker In what way you are bothered or concerned, dear Rajinder? Are they hampering your Spiritual development or self search? Are they coming in your way? Is it not a Projection of your own Ideas(Subconciously) on 'OTHER'. In fact it is you who wish to have material wants and want to be a internationally famous and miracle seeker, hence you are bothered about those. By 'Projection' we mirror or expose our own ideas or thinking according to theory of psychology. This is called 'Projection', seeing things in others. I think it is better to be non-judgemental about others, as long as there is no concrete proof. And Shaiva-Shaktheya Tantra is not against Material or Enjoying Things of the Nature Naturally. Why one should be a DRY , neourotic RENUNCIATE ? In the name of socalled spirituality? King Janaka was not a Renunciate, But a Raja Yogi. I hope you got the Point I think. Anand , Rajinder Nath <jinderman wrote: > > dear Anand > you are absolute right if we do our karma without > seeking wishfull results > thats enough. > life itself is a dream in a dream. > maharishi ramana as i see last sage of this century > we have > lot others who seek material results or want to be > famous > in international starving communities of quick > miracle seeker > thanks > rajinder > > > > > > ----Sri Ramakrishna > > > > > Question: What about the powers of so-called > > > > supermen? > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high > > or > > > > low, whether of the > > > > mind or of a supermind, they exist only with > > > > reference to the one who > > > > has the power. Find out who that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaya Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading > > > > pane. Get the new > > > > Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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