Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, Namaskar. Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to the computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from the Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no Grahas have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be seen.This is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 on 'Astrological principles'. In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their Rashi Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the relevant Bhava has been seen instead. Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are there any special reasons for the same? Kindly instruct in this regard. Best Wishes. Anurag. ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Anurag, Namaskar I was taught that the lord of the 12th from Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta Devata. The planets influencing the house by aspect, however, can show the deities that will lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! I hope that helps, Best wishes, Samir At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > >Namaskar. > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to the >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from the >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no Grahas >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be seen.This >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 >on 'Astrological principles'. > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their Rashi >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are there >any special reasons for the same? > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > >Best Wishes. > >Anurag. > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar >the Great who said that the human stomach should >not become a graveyard for animals. >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Dear Samir, And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule is given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. Thank you. Anurag. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke> wrote: > > || hare räma kåñna || > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > I hope that helps, > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > >Namaskar. > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to the > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from the > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no Grahas > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be seen.This > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their Rashi > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are there > >any special reasons for the same? > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > >Best Wishes. > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > >not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Anurag-ji, Namaskar. I think we should be clear about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. Sanjay-ji always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet ruling a house C-planet aspecting a house. If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the process of spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that comes at the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most desirable' & 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a standard Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal experience. The astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in spiritual evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten steps forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. (quoting Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single solution for Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid to make your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing the 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The suggestions we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the native as a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still applies. More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors amongst SJC Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Dear Samir, > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule is > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > Thank you. > > Anurag. > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > wrote: > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to > the > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from > the > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no > Grahas > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > seen.This > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their > Rashi > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are > there > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Anurag, Namaskar Yes - there are often things which appear contradictory in what has been said or written. I think this is not because of inconsistency, but rather because at each time the point is being made from a different perspective or level and for a different purpose. So we accumulate all these strands until, with blessings from Guru and God, they merge into unity of knowledge! Best wishes, Samir At 14:41 25/05/2006, you wrote: >Dear Samir, > >And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule is >given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had >the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > >Thank you. > >Anurag. > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke >wrote: > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to >the > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from >the > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no >Grahas > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be >seen.This > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their >Rashi > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are >there > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >reading today > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Dear Sourav and Samir, Your thoughts have been immensely helpful. Thank you. Anurag. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke> wrote: > > || hare räma kåñna || > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > Yes - there are often things which appear > contradictory in what has been said or > written. I think this is not because of > inconsistency, but rather because at each time > the point is being made from a different > perspective or level and for a different purpose. > > So we accumulate all these strands until, with > blessings from Guru and God, they merge into unity of knowledge! > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > At 14:41 25/05/2006, you wrote: > >Dear Samir, > > > >And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule is > >given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had > >the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > >Thank you. > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> > >wrote: > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to > >the > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from > >the > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no > >Grahas > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > >seen.This > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their > >Rashi > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are > >there > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Dear Sourav, I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. Regards Rafal Gendarz , "Sourav" <souravc108> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. Sanjay-ji > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet ruling a > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the process of > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that comes at > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most desirable' & > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a standard > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal experience. The > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in spiritual > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten steps > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. (quoting > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single solution for > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid to make > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing the > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The suggestions > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the native as > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still applies. > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors amongst SJC > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule is > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > wrote: > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to > > the > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from > > the > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no > > Grahas > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > seen.This > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their > > Rashi > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are > > there > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the following: * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If still there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the rasi-aspectors. This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "Rafal" <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Sourav, > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. Sanjay-ji > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet ruling a > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the process of > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that comes at > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most desirable' & > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a standard > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal experience. The > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in spiritual > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten steps > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. (quoting > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single solution for > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid to make > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing the > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The suggestions > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the native as > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still applies. > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors amongst SJC > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule is > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to > > > the > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for the > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from > > > the > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are no > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no > > > Grahas > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > seen.This > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both aspect > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their > > > Rashi > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are > > > there > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > > reading today > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Hare Rama Krishna Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me from asking and saying... Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak itself. Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, from whatever direction. Pranam Swati For ref details given Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo , "Sourav" <souravc108> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the following: > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If still > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > rasi-aspectors. > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > Sanjay-ji > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > ruling a > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the process > of > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that comes > at > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > desirable' & > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a standard > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal experience. > The > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in spiritual > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten steps > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there.. > (quoting > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single solution > for > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid to > make > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal.. ) > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing the > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > suggestions > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the native > as > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still applies. > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors amongst > SJC > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule > is > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris..smoke@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to > > > > the > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for > the > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from > > > > the > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are > no > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no > > > > Grahas > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > seen.This > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > aspect > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their > > > > Rashi > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are > > > > there > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna' > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > > > reading today > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Swati, Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > from asking and saying... > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak itself. > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > from whatever direction. > > Pranam > Swati > For ref details given > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the following: > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If still > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > Sanjay-ji > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > ruling a > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the process > > of > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that comes > > at > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > desirable' & > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a standard > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal experience. > > The > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in spiritual > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten steps > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > (quoting > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single solution > > for > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid to > > make > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing the > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > suggestions > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the native > > as > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still applies. > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors amongst > > SJC > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the rule > > is > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only had > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in the > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed as to > > > > > the > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that for > > the > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava from > > > > > the > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there are > > no > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If no > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > aspect > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, their > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of the > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? Are > > > > > there > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > Krishna' > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 HAre Rama Krishma ]] Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav check in mail 18731 Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this avatara. check in mail 18744 swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa or the karakamsa itself? [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK itself when the AK became the Istha. Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu form and having bhagwate in lines? Pranam swati Namah Shivaya , "Sourav" <souravc108> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Swati, > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > from asking and saying... > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > itself. > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > from whatever direction. > > > > Pranam > > Swati > > For ref details given > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > following: > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc.. If > still > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing.. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > ruling a > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > process > > > of > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > comes > > > at > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > desirable' & > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > standard > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > experience. > > > The > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > spiritual > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > steps > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > (quoting > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > solution > > > for > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > to > > > make > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > the > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > suggestions > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > native > > > as > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > applies. > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > amongst > > > SJC > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > rule > > > is > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > had > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > the > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > as to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > for > > > the > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > are > > > no > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > no > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > aspect > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > their > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > the > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > Are > > > > > > there > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Dear Sourav Ji, Swati and Members, The position as laid down in Robert Koch's wonderful text is clear. Apart from the case where there are no Grahas in the 12th Bhava from the Karakamsha Lagna where the judgment might be easier, the rule is to see the stronger between the Grahas aspecting the 12th by Rashi Drishti and the lord of the 12th Bhava. Regarding the other point you have mentioned about the Lakshana of Avatara, Sanjay Ji's article on the Dasavatara in the Jyotish Digest expresses it so clearly. Coincidentally, in one's own case too (11th June, 1972; 10:18 AM; Cuttack, Orissa, India) the lord of the 12th Bhava from the Karakamsha is the Atmakaraka Surya itself. However, Ketu is posited in the 12th Bhava from Karakamsha, showing Shri Ganesh as the Ishta Devata. Thus, there is a difference here too. >From Robert Koch's book, one learns about the relationship between the AK and the Ishta Devata. In the chart of spiritualists, there is an invariable Rashi Drishti between the AK and the Ishta Devata Graha showing that the Jivatma (AK) is linked directly with the Paramatma and the soul can continue where it left off. Argalas between the two Grahas are also stated. Importantly, the Rashi Drishti of the AK and the Ishta to the Drig Dasha Rashi shows important spiritual events in the life of the native. In one's own case, the Drig Dasha of Makar with BK Rahu in it started in May, 2005. This Rashi forms a Special Argala to the AL, along with Rashi Drishti. The Dasha Rashi has the Ishta (Ketu) in the 7th from it while the AK is in Trikona from it and aspects it by Rashi Drishti. Mantrapada is in the 9th House from the Dasha Rashi. I first met Sanjay Ji at SJC Attri when Guru was transiting over Mantrapada in Kanya. The earlier Tula Rashi Drig Dasha is also aspected by the AK and the AK forms secondary unobstructed Argala to it. This period besically coincided with the spiritual transformation and the coming of Jyotish in the Guru Vimshottari Dasha and the cleansing of the Sade- Sati. Best wishes. Anurag. , "Sourav" <souravc108> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Swati, > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > from asking and saying... > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > itself. > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > from whatever direction. > > > > Pranam > > Swati > > For ref details given > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > following: > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc.. If > still > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing.. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B- planet > > > ruling a > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > process > > > of > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > comes > > > at > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > desirable' & > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > standard > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > experience. > > > The > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > spiritual > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > steps > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > (quoting > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > solution > > > for > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > to > > > make > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > the > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > suggestions > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > native > > > as > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > applies. > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > amongst > > > SJC > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > rule > > > is > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > had > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > the > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > as to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > for > > > the > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > are > > > no > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > no > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > aspect > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > their > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > the > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > Are > > > > > > there > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Swati, Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards worship of Mother. There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his guidance. Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================== , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces wrote: > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > check in mail 18731 > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > avatara. > > check in mail 18744 > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > or the karakamsa itself? > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > Pranam swati > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > from asking and saying... > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > itself. > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself ..I > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > Pranam > > > Swati > > > For ref details given > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > following: > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > still > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > ruling a > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > process > > > > of > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > comes > > > > at > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > standard > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > experience. > > > > The > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > spiritual > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > steps > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > (quoting > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > solution > > > > for > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > to > > > > make > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > the > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > suggestions > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > native > > > > as > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > amongst > > > > SJC > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > rule > > > > is > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > had > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > the > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > as to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > are > > > > no > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > no > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > their > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > the > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > Are > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > chart > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. Moon is in Virgo navamsa. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Sourav 26 May 2006 18:41 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Swati, Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards worship of Mother. There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his guidance. Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================== , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces wrote: > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > check in mail 18731 > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > avatara. > > check in mail 18744 > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > or the karakamsa itself? > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > Pranam swati > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > from asking and saying... > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > itself. > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > Pranam > > > Swati > > > For ref details given > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > following: > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > still > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > ruling a > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > process > > > > of > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > comes > > > > at > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > standard > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > experience. > > > > The > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > spiritual > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > steps > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > (quoting > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > solution > > > > for > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > to > > > > make > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > the > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > suggestions > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > native > > > > as > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > amongst > > > > SJC > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > rule > > > > is > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > had > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > the > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > as to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > are > > > > no > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > no > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > their > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > the > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > Are > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > chart > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Visti-ji, Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). Would you kindly give your inputs ? Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================\ ============= , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Swati, > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > worship of Mother. > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > guidance. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================== > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > wrote: > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > avatara. > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > Pranam swati > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > itself. > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > Swati > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > still > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > process > > > > > of > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > comes > > > > > at > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > standard > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > experience. > > > > > The > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > spiritual > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > steps > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > solution > > > > > for > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > > the > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > native > > > > > as > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > amongst > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > rule > > > > > is > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > > had > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > > the > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > as to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > > are > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > no > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > their > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > the > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > Are > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > chart > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar Ahamkara is the right word to use in this context. Ahamkara makes us confident in ourselves to the extent of ignorring others opinion. What we are confident of is seen from the planets in kendra to the AK in the rasi chart, including the AK-planet itself. For example, I have Jupiter in kendra to atmakaraka in the rasi chart, so i’m very confident that i know jyotish and that i can teach. This is a weakness... a failing. This is why you will invariably see people with Jupiter as atmakaraka become teachers, or interested in teaching... they also have trouble following all the teachers instructions, and for this certain mahavidya worship can be done. But, the act of teaching and the self are seperate, yes? Yet still the ahamkara is there. Similarly the devata and the self are separate, yet still the ahamkara is there. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com *** _____ [] On Behalf Of Sourav 27 May 2006 11:45 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Visti-ji, Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). Would you kindly give your inputs ? Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================================ ========= , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Swati, > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > worship of Mother. > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > guidance. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================== > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > wrote: > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > avatara. > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > Pranam swati > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > itself. > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > Swati > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > still > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > process > > > > > of > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > comes > > > > > at > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > standard > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > experience. > > > > > The > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > spiritual > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > steps > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > solution > > > > > for > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > > the > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > native > > > > > as > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > amongst > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > rule > > > > > is > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > > had > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > > the > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > as to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > > are > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > no > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > their > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > the > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > Are > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > chart > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Hare Rama Krishna Well an interesting discussion.To which i may disagree. I think the ahamkara , is more to do with ur mind and not the soul.The planets in kendra to moon could elude to that fact, as what we are in reach off becomes our ego.To the planets mon gives dhristi is what one wants to attain, in the concrete reality.All planets, GODS are finally also fiction of our mind.They are man-made rich tools to reach that state of infinite cosmic soul. Soul is not even close to the unconscious collective self of Jung, ot unconcious self of Freud.The soul is the perpetutor of the acintya, which is deep within and all liberation comes from within, rather than searchign for an outside Source.The Ishta should lead one to the Atman, as what i think.When Sourav said spiritualists had Ak is the 12th lord of karakamsa, i thought it meant they were in tune with their soul.So if i had my soul tuned why would i need to tune back to it, and disturb the vibration. The most religions have propounded the theory of 'Out there' and seperation dualist theories.Again when Vistiji , said that one cannot pray oneself,the thought was more dualistic. While Vedas talk of 'InHere'and search from inside out.here there is no seperation.The Atman is the seed of brahman and the paramatman.The different forms of Gods are not seperate in theis infinite sea of potentials, they are variations and humans inhibition to deidolized forms.When we recite a mantra, the point is to get in tune with a particular vibration, that may be most suited to ones soul, and than that seed, that vibratios allows him to see the whole the paramatman.Till the point u dont reach urself, ur inner root, the drop in the sea, u will be part of this world of waves,and concrete reality....Once u reach the 'drop' and change the scale u become the OCEAN. I may be wrong and deviating from the subject, but its the understanding i gathered. pranam swati , "Visti Larsen" <visti> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > Ahamkara is the right word to use in this context. Ahamkara makes us > confident in ourselves to the extent of ignorring others opinion. What we > are confident of is seen from the planets in kendra to the AK in the rasi > chart, including the AK-planet itself. > > For example, I have Jupiter in kendra to atmakaraka in the rasi chart, so > i'm very confident that i know jyotish and that i can teach. This is a > weakness... a failing. This is why you will invariably see people with > Jupiter as atmakaraka become teachers, or interested in teaching... they > also have trouble following all the teachers instructions, and for this > certain mahavidya worship can be done. > > > > But, the act of teaching and the self are seperate, yes? Yet still the > ahamkara is there. Similarly the devata and the self are separate, yet still > the ahamkara is there. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 27 May 2006 11:45 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Visti-ji, > > Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, > I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the > individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the > Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute > worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman > within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). > > Would you kindly give your inputs ? > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================================ > ========= > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > [] > On > > Behalf Of Sourav > > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > > worship of Mother. > > > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong > candidate > > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > > guidance. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > > wrote: > > > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > > avatara. > > > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > > > Pranam swati > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata > will > > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri > Chaitanya > > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and > strengthens > > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say > there > > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may > be.As > > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its > own, > > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > Swati > > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > > still > > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > > process > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > > comes > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > > standard > > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > > experience. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > > steps > > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > > solution > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means > recognizing > > > > the > > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > > native > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > > amongst > > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > > rule > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have > only > > > > had > > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah > solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > > as to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th > Bhava > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If > there > > > > are > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > > no > > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh > both > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Hare Rama Krishna Pranam Vistiji and Saurav Well an interesting discussion.To which i may disagree. I think the ahamkara , is more to do with ur mind and not the soul.The planets in kendra to moon could elude to that fact, as what we are in reach off becomes our ego.To the planets mon gives dhristi is what one wants to attain, in the concrete reality.All planets, GODS are finally also fiction of our mind.They are man-made rich tools to reach that state of infinite cosmic soul. Soul is not even close to the unconscious collective self of Jung, ot unconcious self of Freud.The soul is the perpetutor of the acintya, which is deep within and all liberation comes from within, rather than searchign for an outside Source.The Ishta should lead one to the Atman, as what i think.When Sourav said spiritualists had Ak is the 12th lord of karakamsa, i thought it meant they were in tune with their soul.So if i had my soul tuned why would i need to tune back to it, and disturb the vibration. The most religions have propounded the theory of 'Out there' and seperation dualist theories.Again when Vistiji , said that one cannot pray oneself,the thought was more dualistic. While Vedas talk of 'InHere'and search from inside out.here there is no seperation.The Atman is the seed of brahman and the paramatman.The different forms of Gods are not seperate in theis infinite sea of potentials, they are variations and humans inhibition to deidolized forms.When we recite a mantra, the point is to get in tune with a particular vibration, that may be most suited to ones soul, and than that seed, that vibratios allows him to see the whole the paramatman.Till the point u dont reach urself, ur inner root, the drop in the sea, u will be part of this world of waves,and concrete reality....Once u reach the 'drop' and change the scale u become the OCEAN. I may be wrong and deviating from the subject, but its the understanding i gathered. Pranam swati Namah Shivaya , "Visti Larsen" <visti> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > Ahamkara is the right word to use in this context. Ahamkara makes us > confident in ourselves to the extent of ignorring others opinion. What we > are confident of is seen from the planets in kendra to the AK in the rasi > chart, including the AK-planet itself. > > For example, I have Jupiter in kendra to atmakaraka in the rasi chart, so > i'm very confident that i know jyotish and that i can teach. This is a > weakness... a failing. This is why you will invariably see people with > Jupiter as atmakaraka become teachers, or interested in teaching... they > also have trouble following all the teachers instructions, and for this > certain mahavidya worship can be done. > > > > But, the act of teaching and the self are seperate, yes? Yet still the > ahamkara is there. Similarly the devata and the self are separate, yet still > the ahamkara is there. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 27 May 2006 11:45 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Visti-ji, > > Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, > I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the > individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the > Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute > worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman > within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). > > Would you kindly give your inputs ? > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================================ > ========= > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > [] > On > > Behalf Of Sourav > > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > > worship of Mother. > > > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong > candidate > > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > > guidance. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > > wrote: > > > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > > avatara. > > > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > > > Pranam swati > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata > will > > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri > Chaitanya > > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and > strengthens > > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say > there > > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may > be.As > > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its > own, > > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > Swati > > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > > still > > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > > process > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > > comes > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > > standard > > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > > experience. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > > steps > > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > > solution > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means > recognizing > > > > the > > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > > native > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > > amongst > > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > > rule > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have > only > > > > had > > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah > solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > > as to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th > Bhava > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If > there > > > > are > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > > no > > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh > both > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Svati, Namaskar Nice mail and nice thoughts. I will not comment on the dvaita and advaita concepts that you are hinting at. However, what you say about ahamkara is not acceptible based on the Shiva purana. The Jeevatama or individual soul is subject to eight types of bandhana or bondage. These eight are: i) Prakriti, ii) Buddhi, iii) Ahamkara, iv) Panchatanmatra, v) Mahatattva, vi) Gunatmika and vii) Pancha bhuta... eight chara karaka??? In other words, the individual soul or jeevatma is subject to ahamkara and thus is also bound by it. As for the mind and ahamkara, the mind is said to appear in the native after the seventh month of pregnancy. If it doesn't appear before this, then how can it the cause of the souls rebirth? Afterall, the basic premise for rebirth is that there must be some sense of individuality and this is ahamkara also. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of swazz_oyzter 27 May 2006 15:28 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata Hare Rama Krishna Well an interesting discussion.To which i may disagree. I think the ahamkara , is more to do with ur mind and not the soul.The planets in kendra to moon could elude to that fact, as what we are in reach off becomes our ego.To the planets mon gives dhristi is what one wants to attain, in the concrete reality.All planets, GODS are finally also fiction of our mind.They are man-made rich tools to reach that state of infinite cosmic soul. Soul is not even close to the unconscious collective self of Jung, ot unconcious self of Freud.The soul is the perpetutor of the acintya, which is deep within and all liberation comes from within, rather than searchign for an outside Source.The Ishta should lead one to the Atman, as what i think.When Sourav said spiritualists had Ak is the 12th lord of karakamsa, i thought it meant they were in tune with their soul.So if i had my soul tuned why would i need to tune back to it, and disturb the vibration. The most religions have propounded the theory of 'Out there' and seperation dualist theories.Again when Vistiji , said that one cannot pray oneself,the thought was more dualistic. While Vedas talk of 'InHere'and search from inside out.here there is no seperation.The Atman is the seed of brahman and the paramatman.The different forms of Gods are not seperate in theis infinite sea of potentials, they are variations and humans inhibition to deidolized forms.When we recite a mantra, the point is to get in tune with a particular vibration, that may be most suited to ones soul, and than that seed, that vibratios allows him to see the whole the paramatman.Till the point u dont reach urself, ur inner root, the drop in the sea, u will be part of this world of waves,and concrete reality....Once u reach the 'drop' and change the scale u become the OCEAN. I may be wrong and deviating from the subject, but its the understanding i gathered. pranam swati , "Visti Larsen" <visti> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > Ahamkara is the right word to use in this context. Ahamkara makes us > confident in ourselves to the extent of ignorring others opinion. What we > are confident of is seen from the planets in kendra to the AK in the rasi > chart, including the AK-planet itself. > > For example, I have Jupiter in kendra to atmakaraka in the rasi chart, so > i'm very confident that i know jyotish and that i can teach. This is a > weakness... a failing. This is why you will invariably see people with > Jupiter as atmakaraka become teachers, or interested in teaching... they > also have trouble following all the teachers instructions, and for this > certain mahavidya worship can be done. > > > > But, the act of teaching and the self are seperate, yes? Yet still the > ahamkara is there. Similarly the devata and the self are separate, yet still > the ahamkara is there. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 27 May 2006 11:45 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Visti-ji, > > Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, > I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the > individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the > Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute > worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman > within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). > > Would you kindly give your inputs ? > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================================ > ========= > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > [] > On > > Behalf Of Sourav > > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > > worship of Mother. > > > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong > candidate > > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > > guidance. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > > wrote: > > > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > > avatara. > > > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > > > Pranam swati > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata > will > > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri > Chaitanya > > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and > strengthens > > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say > there > > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may > be.As > > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its > own, > > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > Swati > > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > > still > > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > > process > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > > comes > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > > standard > > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > > experience. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > > steps > > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > > solution > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means > recognizing > > > > the > > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > > native > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > > amongst > > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > > rule > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have > only > > > > had > > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah > solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > > as to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th > Bhava > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If > there > > > > are > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > > no > > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh > both > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 vyam vyasadevaya namah Dear Guruji & Sourav ji, Pranaam Nice mail from Guruji about weaknessess which I must admit unfortunately.. I would like also to add that AK also make the bad judgment of things related to Karaka. The person with Jupiter - AK always has doubts if he has enough knowledge or maybe he is lacking, the suffering is related to knowledge (can be known as lesson if you are uplifting the conciousness and has goal in it). It is said that person with subha-AK doesnt suffer so much but the suffering is still there...there is disorted vision of one's capacity to get & give knowledge. regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:11 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar Ahamkara is the right word to use in this context. Ahamkara makes us confident in ourselves to the extent of ignorring others opinion. What we are confident of is seen from the planets in kendra to the AK in the rasi chart, including the AK-planet itself. For example, I have Jupiter in kendra to atmakaraka in the rasi chart, so i'm very confident that i know jyotish and that i can teach. This is a weakness... a failing. This is why you will invariably see people with Jupiter as atmakaraka become teachers, or interested in teaching... they also have trouble following all the teachers instructions, and for this certain mahavidya worship can be done. But, the act of teaching and the self are seperate, yes? Yet still the ahamkara is there. Similarly the devata and the self are separate, yet still the ahamkara is there. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of Sourav 27 May 2006 11:45 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Visti-ji, Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). Would you kindly give your inputs ? Best wishes, Sourav ===================================================================================== , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Swati, > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > worship of Mother. > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > guidance. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================== > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > wrote: > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > avatara. > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > Pranam swati > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > itself. > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > Swati > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > still > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature.. > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > process > > > > > of > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > comes > > > > > at > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > standard > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > experience. > > > > > The > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > spiritual > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > steps > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > solution > > > > > for > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > > the > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > native > > > > > as > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > amongst > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > rule > > > > > is > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > > had > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > > the > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > as to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > > are > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > no > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > their > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > the > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > Are > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > chart > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hare Krishna Dear Rafeal, Even with magnifier glasses I cant read such small text. I'd like to see what you and others say , but when you use such microscopic font i cant read, along with others i assume. Lakshmi, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme> wrote: > > vyam vyasadevaya namah > > Dear Guruji & Sourav ji, > > Pranaam > > Nice mail from Guruji about weaknessess which I must admit unfortunately.. > > I would like also to add that AK also make the bad judgment of things related to Karaka. The person with Jupiter - AK always has doubts if he has enough knowledge or maybe he is lacking, the suffering is related to knowledge (can be known as lesson if you are uplifting the conciousness and has goal in it). It is said that person with subha-AK doesnt suffer so much but the suffering is still there...there is disorted vision of one's capacity to get & give knowledge. > > regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > Visti Larsen > > Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:11 PM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > Ahamkara is the right word to use in this context. Ahamkara makes us confident in ourselves to the extent of ignorring others opinion. What we are confident of is seen from the planets in kendra to the AK in the rasi chart, including the AK-planet itself. > > For example, I have Jupiter in kendra to atmakaraka in the rasi chart, so i'm very confident that i know jyotish and that i can teach. This is a weakness... a failing. This is why you will invariably see people with Jupiter as atmakaraka become teachers, or interested in teaching... they also have trouble following all the teachers instructions, and for this certain mahavidya worship can be done. > > > > But, the act of teaching and the self are seperate, yes? Yet still the ahamkara is there. Similarly the devata and the self are separate, yet still the ahamkara is there. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > - ----------- > > [] On Behalf Of Sourav > 27 May 2006 11:45 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Visti-ji, > > Namaskar. As much as I am thinking on this topic, I understand that Atmakaraka represents the ahamkara associated with the individual where as the Devata indicated by the AK-graha is outside the Ahamkara stage. Hence worshipping that devata doesn't really constitute worshipping self. Afterall, whenever we worship we are worshipping the atman within us and not the sheath of ahamkara (be that mine or someone elses). > > Would you kindly give your inputs ? > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== ================ > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda..com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Sourav > > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > > worship of Mother. > > > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate > > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > > guidance. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ============================================================== > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" healingspaces@ > > wrote: > > > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > > avatara. > > > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused....as How Gouri.We are > > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > > > Pranam swati > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th.. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too. > > > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > > Swati > > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > > still > > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B-planet > > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > > process > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > > comes > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process. Ishta means 'most > > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > > standard > > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > > experience. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > > steps > > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > > solution > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > > > the > > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > > native > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > > amongst > > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > > rule > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > > > had > > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > > straight line.. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > > as to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > > > are > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > > no > > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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