GURU- CHANDAN YOGA

May 26, 2006

>From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years in

forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by charts

in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way up to the

19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to wonder if

with all the oral to written transliteration and language changes and

all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible (HORRORS!)

That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to live on

CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

Rohiniranjan

(aka BAD BOY)

, shashi shekhar sharma

<polite_astro> wrote:

>

> .HARE RAM.

> Dear Friends,

> GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is placed

merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of other

benefic Yogas.

>

> Regards

> Shashi Shekhar Sharma

>

> tella <sarada_addepalli> wrote:

> Dear lalkitab,

>

> Please advice me Whether

>

> these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

>

> june 11th 1988

> time is 20:24

> place of birth is Tenali

>

> I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa. he is in

12

> grade please help.

>

> the second one

>

> june 7th 1958

> time is 00:50

> place is Tenali

>

> Please advice what do they have to donate.

>

> I know that he has Sani mahadasa

>

> Tella

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

May 26, 2006

dear RR ji

thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all. even if a

chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes a

realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal yoga shall

be treated as guru chandan yoga.

in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the guru

who is the guru of the devatas.

pandit arjun

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years in

> forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

charts

> in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way up to

the

> 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to wonder if

> with all the oral to written transliteration and language changes

and

> all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible (HORRORS!)

>

> That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

>

> GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

>

> We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to live

on

> CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

>

> Rohiniranjan

> (aka BAD BOY)

>

> , shashi shekhar sharma

> <polite_astro@> wrote:

> >

> > .HARE RAM.

> > Dear Friends,

> > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is placed

> merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of other

> benefic Yogas.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> >

> > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > Dear lalkitab,

> >

> > Please advice me Whether

> >

> > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

> >

> > june 11th 1988

> > time is 20:24

> > place of birth is Tenali

> >

> > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa. he is

in

> 12

> > grade please help.

> >

> > the second one

> >

> > june 7th 1958

> > time is 00:50

> > place is Tenali

> >

> > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> >

> > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> >

> > Tella

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

May 26, 2006

Dear Arjun ji,

Thanks!

Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less friendly

than you may look askance at my post and say that the original 'guru

chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one letter

change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit where

different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in chandal

versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -- let them

convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it called a

YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

RR

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear RR ji

>

> thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all. even if a

> chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes a

> realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal yoga shall

> be treated as guru chandan yoga.

>

> in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the guru

> who is the guru of the devatas.

>

> pandit arjun

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years in

> > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

> charts

> > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way up to

> the

> > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to wonder

if

> > with all the oral to written transliteration and language changes

> and

> > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible (HORRORS!)

> >

> > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> >

> > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> >

> > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to live

> on

> > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > (aka BAD BOY)

> >

> > , shashi shekhar sharma

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > .HARE

RAM.

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is placed

> > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of other

> > benefic Yogas.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > >

> > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > Dear lalkitab,

> > >

> > > Please advice me Whether

> > >

> > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

> > >

> > > june 11th 1988

> > > time is 20:24

> > > place of birth is Tenali

> > >

> > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa. he

is

> in

> > 12

> > > grade please help.

> > >

> > > the second one

> > >

> > > june 7th 1958

> > > time is 00:50

> > > place is Tenali

> > >

> > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > >

> > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > >

> > > Tella

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

May 26, 2006

dear RR ji

in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas rahu

represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in a

person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of Osho

preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and then "tyaag".

of course i have no classical references and this is my own surmise

which others may agree or discard.

hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so called

conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result in a

native.

with best wishes

arjun

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

>

> Thanks!

>

> Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

friendly

> than you may look askance at my post and say that the

original 'guru

> chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one

letter

> change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit where

> different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in chandal

> versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

>

> But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -- let

them

> convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

> problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

called a

> YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

>

> RR

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear RR ji

> >

> > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all. even

if a

> > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes a

> > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal yoga

shall

> > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> >

> > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the

guru

> > who is the guru of the devatas.

> >

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years

in

> > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

> > charts

> > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way up

to

> > the

> > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to

wonder

> if

> > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

changes

> > and

> > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

(HORRORS!)

> > >

> > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > >

> > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > >

> > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to

live

> > on

> > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > >

> > > , shashi shekhar

sharma

> > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > .HARE

> RAM.

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is

placed

> > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of other

> > > benefic Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > >

> > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > >

> > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > >

> > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

> > > >

> > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > time is 20:24

> > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > >

> > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa.

he

> is

> > in

> > > 12

> > > > grade please help.

> > > >

> > > > the second one

> > > >

> > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > time is 00:50

> > > > place is Tenali

> > > >

> > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > >

> > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > >

> > > > Tella

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

May 26, 2006

Dear Arjunji,

And just to add my two cents to your poignant last sentence --

provided this person/nativity is potentially capable of understanding

the punishment he/she has chosen to be placed under!

I am sure there have been instances that fuelled this thought about

guru chandal combination, but did they also look for instances where

the same combination brought into this world a gifted individual,

devoted to God and so on ...! Again, the bottom line in this or any

case becomes: Did the ishta win or the kashta did (using the terms

not in the pure astrological sense of those balas).

Being a child, I just want to observe, at this time, and not

pronounce anything. They may be able to destroy my innocense but

*they* will never know where my *curiosity* comes from :-)

Namastey,

rohiniranjan

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear RR ji

>

> in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas rahu

> represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in a

> person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of Osho

> preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and then "tyaag".

> of course i have no classical references and this is my own surmise

> which others may agree or discard.

>

> hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so called

> conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result in a

> native.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

> friendly

> > than you may look askance at my post and say that the

> original 'guru

> > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one

> letter

> > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit where

> > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in chandal

> > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

> >

> > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -- let

> them

> > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

> > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

> called a

> > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RR ji

> > >

> > > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all. even

> if a

> > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes

a

> > > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal yoga

> shall

> > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> > >

> > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the

> guru

> > > who is the guru of the devatas.

> > >

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years

> in

> > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

> > > charts

> > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way

up

> to

> > > the

> > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to

> wonder

> > if

> > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

> changes

> > > and

> > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

> (HORRORS!)

> > > >

> > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > > >

> > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > > >

> > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to

> live

> > > on

> > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > > >

> > > > , shashi shekhar

> sharma

> > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> .HARE

> > RAM.

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is

> placed

> > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of

other

> > > > benefic Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > > >

> > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > > >

> > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

> > > > >

> > > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > > time is 20:24

> > > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa.

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 12

> > > > > grade please help.

> > > > >

> > > > > the second one

> > > > >

> > > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > > time is 00:50

> > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > > >

> > > > > Tella

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

May 27, 2006

Arjunji,

I sometimes visualize planets as consumables kept in pots before each

of us in a matrix of 12 cubicles. Some pots are large, others small,

even tiny, some are wide open, others are half closed, a few tigtly

lidded. The pots may contain sweet dishes, or sour or bitter even --

the common person does not know what is what and which is which and

is perplexed. To make life even more interesting, the pots are not

placed in the same place, are certainly not labelled clearly, and

occasionally it may not be known what they contain even based on past

experiences because contents do change! Astrology provides some idea

about this mystery and knowing what to find where, or at least hints

thereof, possibilities thereof, one can approach the labyrinth of

life with some foreknowledge and some understanding. The decision

still remains anything than simple, because the wide open pot, though

bright and colourful and attractive may contain boiled bittergourd

(sometimes raw too!). One may avoid the karela entirely (at this

mealtime, though the bitter vegetable will not vanish from one's

ration forever, just by avoidance or eating it with a lot of sugar

etc). One may, if so inclined, with patience (though famishing)

process that bitter vegetable with condiments of reduced

expectations, service, and other spices and through the heat of

effort, turn that poisonous-tasting vegetable into a dish that leaves

the memory of life delicious and the next one something to look

forward to as opposed to dreading! The soul's successful graduation

gift is a necklace of memory beads, memory not as we generally see it

as, but memory that comes as 'knowing'.

RR

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear RR ji

>

> in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas rahu

> represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in a

> person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of Osho

> preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and then "tyaag".

> of course i have no classical references and this is my own surmise

> which others may agree or discard.

>

> hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so called

> conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result in a

> native.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

> friendly

> > than you may look askance at my post and say that the

> original 'guru

> > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one

> letter

> > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit where

> > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in chandal

> > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

> >

> > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -- let

> them

> > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

> > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

> called a

> > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RR ji

> > >

> > > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all. even

> if a

> > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes

a

> > > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal yoga

> shall

> > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> > >

> > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the

> guru

> > > who is the guru of the devatas.

> > >

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years

> in

> > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

> > > charts

> > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way

up

> to

> > > the

> > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to

> wonder

> > if

> > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

> changes

> > > and

> > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

> (HORRORS!)

> > > >

> > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > > >

> > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > > >

> > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to

> live

> > > on

> > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > > >

> > > > , shashi shekhar

> sharma

> > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> .HARE

> > RAM.

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is

> placed

> > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of

other

> > > > benefic Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > > >

> > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > > >

> > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

> > > > >

> > > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > > time is 20:24

> > > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa.

> he

> > is

> > > in

> > > > 12

> > > > > grade please help.

> > > > >

> > > > > the second one

> > > > >

> > > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > > time is 00:50

> > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > >

> > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > > >

> > > > > Tella

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

May 27, 2006

Maybe you do not have astrology knowledge acquired in this lifetime,

but the way you went to the heart of jyotish which is very

lunicentric, you perhaps could zip through the first twentytwo

chapters and resume your studies again :-)

<22 is not to be taken literally!>

RR

, "her_asha" <her_asha.>

wrote:

>

> Namaste

> You mean it is in how we PERCEIVE what has happened? Along with

having

> the ability to "make lemonade if life hands you a lemon"?

>

> "The mind in itself makes of life a heaven or a hell"

> I forget the famous English poet who said this. However, suffice to

> say, and this is my personal feeling and with no astrology knowledge

> compared to what some people here have, that: If the mind is

> represented by the moon then you are fortunate indeed if your moon

is

> well placed, purva punya and all that.

>

> However, if your moon is ill placed, not to worry, she also changes

on

> a regular basis!! The moon is also Mother/Devi so, take her name,

love

> her and ask her to grant you grace and forgive your sins and the

rest

> of the planets will do what they do depnedent on your karma but you

> will "roll with the waves" rather than drown.

>

> maybe thats why the deity representing rahu is Durga. The Durga

> Saptashati at one level is about the balance of too little and too

> much. But to my knowledge, balance only comes from having 2 sides.

All

> Jupiter is not balance. Also in order to balance there is a little

> swinging back and forth, this way and that before

balance/equilibrium

> is acheived.

>

> my non astrological 2 cents worth. Wonderful posts here, guru

chandal

> yoga, Durga Saptashati..thank you all

>

> BTW, my sis has this yoga, AND its 5th house.

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> >

> > I sometimes visualize planets as consumables kept in pots before

each

> > of us in a matrix of 12 cubicles. Some pots are large, others

small,

> > even tiny, some are wide open, others are half closed, a few

tigtly

> > lidded. The pots may contain sweet dishes, or sour or bitter

even --

> > the common person does not know what is what and which is which

and

> > is perplexed. To make life even more interesting, the pots are

not

> > placed in the same place, are certainly not labelled clearly, and

> > occasionally it may not be known what they contain even based on

past

> > experiences because contents do change! Astrology provides some

idea

> > about this mystery and knowing what to find where, or at least

hints

> > thereof, possibilities thereof, one can approach the labyrinth of

> > life with some foreknowledge and some understanding. The decision

> > still remains anything than simple, because the wide open pot,

though

> > bright and colourful and attractive may contain boiled

bittergourd

> > (sometimes raw too!). One may avoid the karela entirely (at this

> > mealtime, though the bitter vegetable will not vanish from one's

> > ration forever, just by avoidance or eating it with a lot of

sugar

> > etc). One may, if so inclined, with patience (though famishing)

> > process that bitter vegetable with condiments of reduced

> > expectations, service, and other spices and through the heat of

> > effort, turn that poisonous-tasting vegetable into a dish that

leaves

> > the memory of life delicious and the next one something to look

> > forward to as opposed to dreading! The soul's successful

graduation

> > gift is a necklace of memory beads, memory not as we generally

see it

> > as, but memory that comes as 'knowing'.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RR ji

> > >

> > > in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas rahu

> > > represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in a

> > > person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of Osho

> > > preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and

then "tyaag".

> > > of course i have no classical references and this is my own

surmise

> > > which others may agree or discard.

> > >

> > > hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so called

> > > conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result in

a

> > > native.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

> > > friendly

> > > > than you may look askance at my post and say that the

> > > original 'guru

> > > > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one

> > > letter

> > > > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit

where

> > > > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in

chandal

> > > > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

> > > >

> > > > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers --

let

> > > them

> > > > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a

big

> > > > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

> > > called a

> > > > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> > > > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all.

even

> > > if a

> > > > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also

becomes

> > a

> > > > > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal

yoga

> > > shall

> > > > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as

the

> > > guru

> > > > > who is the guru of the devatas.

> > > > >

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > <rrgb@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many

years

> > > in

> > > > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied

by

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the

way

> > up

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to

> > > wonder

> > > > if

> > > > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

> > > changes

> > > > > and

> > > > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

> > > (HORRORS!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love

to

> > > live

> > > > > on

> > > > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , shashi shekhar

> > > sharma

> > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > .HARE

> > > > RAM.

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it

is

> > > placed

> > > > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of

> > other

> > > > > > benefic Yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or

not

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > > > > time is 20:24

> > > > > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn

antardasa.

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > grade please help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the second one

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > > > > time is 00:50

> > > > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tella

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

May 28, 2006

dear RR ji

unlike astronomy where you find fixed planets, in astrology you

would find the pots(planets) changing places.

any way an year ago in reply to several of mark kincaid's mails i

have written that for a realised person, planets are meaningless.

no benefic, no malefic, no planet can do anything to a relised

person, for he has seen the reality.

even in gita lord krishna says that for a realised person, vedas are

meaningless. in other words a realised person has seen the reality

about which all the vedas speak, hence no need for studying vedas.

simply put, realisation means knowing the reality that the body is

not what you are and whatever external benefic or malefic results

are only for the body and not the soul, the same all pervading all

permeating soul called god. adi sankaracharya ji has written this

beautifully in his Atmabodha.

instead of finding temporary relief for the body or mind, the native

shall strive to achieve self realisation, for the atma knows only

bliss.

with best wishes

arjun

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Arjunji,

>

> I sometimes visualize planets as consumables kept in pots before

each

> of us in a matrix of 12 cubicles. Some pots are large, others

small,

> even tiny, some are wide open, others are half closed, a few

tigtly

> lidded. The pots may contain sweet dishes, or sour or bitter even -

-

> the common person does not know what is what and which is which

and

> is perplexed. To make life even more interesting, the pots are not

> placed in the same place, are certainly not labelled clearly, and

> occasionally it may not be known what they contain even based on

past

> experiences because contents do change! Astrology provides some

idea

> about this mystery and knowing what to find where, or at least

hints

> thereof, possibilities thereof, one can approach the labyrinth of

> life with some foreknowledge and some understanding. The decision

> still remains anything than simple, because the wide open pot,

though

> bright and colourful and attractive may contain boiled bittergourd

> (sometimes raw too!). One may avoid the karela entirely (at this

> mealtime, though the bitter vegetable will not vanish from one's

> ration forever, just by avoidance or eating it with a lot of sugar

> etc). One may, if so inclined, with patience (though famishing)

> process that bitter vegetable with condiments of reduced

> expectations, service, and other spices and through the heat of

> effort, turn that poisonous-tasting vegetable into a dish that

leaves

> the memory of life delicious and the next one something to look

> forward to as opposed to dreading! The soul's successful

graduation

> gift is a necklace of memory beads, memory not as we generally see

it

> as, but memory that comes as 'knowing'.

>

> RR

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear RR ji

> >

> > in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas rahu

> > represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in a

> > person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of Osho

> > preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and

then "tyaag".

> > of course i have no classical references and this is my own

surmise

> > which others may agree or discard.

> >

> > hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so called

> > conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result in

a

> > native.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

> > friendly

> > > than you may look askance at my post and say that the

> > original 'guru

> > > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one

> > letter

> > > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit

where

> > > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in

chandal

> > > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

> > >

> > > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers --

let

> > them

> > > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

> > > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

> > called a

> > > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear RR ji

> > > >

> > > > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> > > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all..

even

> > if a

> > > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also

becomes

> a

> > > > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal yoga

> > shall

> > > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> > > >

> > > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as

the

> > guru

> > > > who is the guru of the devatas.

> > > >

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many

years

> > in

> > > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied

by

> > > > charts

> > > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the

way

> up

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to

> > wonder

> > > if

> > > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

> > changes

> > > > and

> > > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

> > (HORRORS!)

> > > > >

> > > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > > > >

> > > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > > > >

> > > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love

to

> > live

> > > > on

> > > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > > > >

> > > > > , shashi shekhar

> > sharma

> > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > .HARE

> > > RAM.

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is

> > placed

> > > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of

> other

> > > > > benefic Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > > > >

> > > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or

not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > > > time is 20:24

> > > > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn

antardasa.

> > he

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > 12

> > > > > > grade please help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the second one

> > > > > >

> > > > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > > > time is 00:50

> > > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tella

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > > RELISH

> > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

May 28, 2006

Dear Arjunji,

That is a beautiful note, thanks! Since it resonates with, simply

reality, what else could be esthetically speaking?

Truly, the goal of human existence is to know reality and eventually

I hope, we all hope, that we all earth dwellers attain this reality

and the time is perhaps never more opportune than now.

But just as a kindergarten kid cannot be handed a College Textbook of

Physics and expected to suddenly transform into a young adult,

similarly, the path to realization must take its course and

scriptures and astrology etc would have their purpose.

Inherent in your posting, between the lines, whether you intended

consciously or not is the wise reminder that even when astrologers

try to steer and educate the kindergarten soul (When will I get

married, will I pass the next examination and you better give me the

answer astrologer by the time I am back from the movie -- thankfully

representing only a small slice of reading requestors of course!), it

is almost our duty to remind them that there is more to look forward

to and even strive for, once the immediate crisis is over! And that

is why I recommend that serious jyotish service seekers should not

look at a reading as a one off, fastfood for soul, but a home kitchen

where one can come back daily and nourish the soul).

I keep hearing that not everyone can learn astrology. It shudders me

to think if that had been the attitude of modern educators who strive

to make education available for everyone, almost making it mandatory.

Imagine if they had continued with the restrictive hang-ups of

ancient educators who controlled who would get educated and would

learn what. Sends shivers up my spine barely decades old as opposed

to centuries!!

RR

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004> wrote:

>

> dear RR ji

>

> unlike astronomy where you find fixed planets, in astrology you

> would find the pots(planets) changing places.

>

> any way an year ago in reply to several of mark kincaid's mails i

> have written that for a realised person, planets are meaningless.

> no benefic, no malefic, no planet can do anything to a relised

> person, for he has seen the reality.

>

> even in gita lord krishna says that for a realised person, vedas

are

> meaningless. in other words a realised person has seen the reality

> about which all the vedas speak, hence no need for studying vedas.

>

> simply put, realisation means knowing the reality that the body is

> not what you are and whatever external benefic or malefic results

> are only for the body and not the soul, the same all pervading all

> permeating soul called god. adi sankaracharya ji has written this

> beautifully in his Atmabodha.

>

> instead of finding temporary relief for the body or mind, the

native

> shall strive to achieve self realisation, for the atma knows only

> bliss.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> >

> > I sometimes visualize planets as consumables kept in pots before

> each

> > of us in a matrix of 12 cubicles. Some pots are large, others

> small,

> > even tiny, some are wide open, others are half closed, a few

> tigtly

> > lidded. The pots may contain sweet dishes, or sour or bitter

even -

> -

> > the common person does not know what is what and which is which

> and

> > is perplexed. To make life even more interesting, the pots are

not

> > placed in the same place, are certainly not labelled clearly, and

> > occasionally it may not be known what they contain even based on

> past

> > experiences because contents do change! Astrology provides some

> idea

> > about this mystery and knowing what to find where, or at least

> hints

> > thereof, possibilities thereof, one can approach the labyrinth of

> > life with some foreknowledge and some understanding. The decision

> > still remains anything than simple, because the wide open pot,

> though

> > bright and colourful and attractive may contain boiled

bittergourd

> > (sometimes raw too!). One may avoid the karela entirely (at this

> > mealtime, though the bitter vegetable will not vanish from one's

> > ration forever, just by avoidance or eating it with a lot of

sugar

> > etc). One may, if so inclined, with patience (though famishing)

> > process that bitter vegetable with condiments of reduced

> > expectations, service, and other spices and through the heat of

> > effort, turn that poisonous-tasting vegetable into a dish that

> leaves

> > the memory of life delicious and the next one something to look

> > forward to as opposed to dreading! The soul's successful

> graduation

> > gift is a necklace of memory beads, memory not as we generally

see

> it

> > as, but memory that comes as 'knowing'.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RR ji

> > >

> > > in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas rahu

> > > represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in a

> > > person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of Osho

> > > preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and

> then "tyaag".

> > > of course i have no classical references and this is my own

> surmise

> > > which others may agree or discard.

> > >

> > > hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so called

> > > conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result in

> a

> > > native.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

> > > friendly

> > > > than you may look askance at my post and say that the

> > > original 'guru

> > > > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one

> > > letter

> > > > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit

> where

> > > > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in

> chandal

> > > > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

> > > >

> > > > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers --

> let

> > > them

> > > > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a

big

> > > > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

> > > called a

> > > > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much as i

> > > > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all.

> even

> > > if a

> > > > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also

> becomes

> > a

> > > > > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal

yoga

> > > shall

> > > > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as

> the

> > > guru

> > > > > who is the guru of the devatas.

> > > > >

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > <rrgb@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many

> years

> > > in

> > > > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied

> by

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the

> way

> > up

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to

> > > wonder

> > > > if

> > > > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

> > > changes

> > > > > and

> > > > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

> > > (HORRORS!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love

> to

> > > live

> > > > > on

> > > > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , shashi shekhar

> > > sharma

> > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > .HARE

> > > > RAM.

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it

is

> > > placed

> > > > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of

> > other

> > > > > > benefic Yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or

> not

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > > > > time is 20:24

> > > > > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn

> antardasa.

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > grade please help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the second one

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > > > > time is 00:50

> > > > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tella

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

May 28, 2006

Dear RRji

once when i mentioned only a best lunatic can cure other lunatics, i

meant it myself and other healing astrologers because even though we

know the reality, we speak the langauge the of the native so that

the native feels comfort that i am his man. then we empathise his

or her feelings and sympathise before suggesting a remedy. in most

cases, they are more psychological in nature and are related to mind

(orders, disorders or disorderly orders)and once this remedy is

done, their mind gets convinced that YES, NOW MY PROBLEM HAS (OR

SEEMS LIKE) GONE FOREVER. i have seen several people suffering from

severe mental depression and dejection because of the manglik dosha,

grahana yoga, kaala sarpa yoga etc. and in most cases whenever a

ritual or a remedy is done, most of them report that their dosham

has vanished.

the reason why astrology is not a science and a divine intuitive

subject is beacuse of the inexplicale link with mythology.

astronomy has been reckoned as a science and is in the curricumul of

all universities but not astrology because simply most of the

astrological foundations are mythological. suppose a person is

suffering from haunted by an evil, only a person who could find and

remove the evil would cure that person. if an astrologer (even if

the most learnt) says that he dont beleive in evils the native is

not convinced and he keeps on visiting other astrologers till he

find someone who speaks his language and says himself "now you got

the right person". hope you got what it means.

hope other members now agree to my oft repeated observation that

doctors cure pysical ailments and astrologers cure mental ailments.

either way both are relieving the pain and suffering of a native

which is why these two professions are noble even in this ghor

kaliyug.

with best wishes

pandit arjun

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Dear Arjunji,

>

> That is a beautiful note, thanks! Since it resonates with, simply

> reality, what else could be esthetically speaking?

>

> Truly, the goal of human existence is to know reality and

eventually

> I hope, we all hope, that we all earth dwellers attain this

reality

> and the time is perhaps never more opportune than now.

>

> But just as a kindergarten kid cannot be handed a College Textbook

of

> Physics and expected to suddenly transform into a young adult,

> similarly, the path to realization must take its course and

> scriptures and astrology etc would have their purpose.

>

> Inherent in your posting, between the lines, whether you intended

> consciously or not is the wise reminder that even when astrologers

> try to steer and educate the kindergarten soul (When will I get

> married, will I pass the next examination and you better give me

the

> answer astrologer by the time I am back from the movie --

thankfully

> representing only a small slice of reading requestors of course!),

it

> is almost our duty to remind them that there is more to look

forward

> to and even strive for, once the immediate crisis is over! And

that

> is why I recommend that serious jyotish service seekers should not

> look at a reading as a one off, fastfood for soul, but a home

kitchen

> where one can come back daily and nourish the soul).

>

> I keep hearing that not everyone can learn astrology. It shudders

me

> to think if that had been the attitude of modern educators who

strive

> to make education available for everyone, almost making it

mandatory.

> Imagine if they had continued with the restrictive hang-ups of

> ancient educators who controlled who would get educated and would

> learn what. Sends shivers up my spine barely decades old as

opposed

> to centuries!!

>

> RR

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear RR ji

> >

> > unlike astronomy where you find fixed planets, in astrology you

> > would find the pots(planets) changing places.

> >

> > any way an year ago in reply to several of mark kincaid's mails

i

> > have written that for a realised person, planets are

meaningless.

> > no benefic, no malefic, no planet can do anything to a relised

> > person, for he has seen the reality.

> >

> > even in gita lord krishna says that for a realised person, vedas

> are

> > meaningless. in other words a realised person has seen the

reality

> > about which all the vedas speak, hence no need for studying

vedas.

> >

> > simply put, realisation means knowing the reality that the body

is

> > not what you are and whatever external benefic or malefic

results

> > are only for the body and not the soul, the same all pervading

all

> > permeating soul called god. adi sankaracharya ji has written

this

> > beautifully in his Atmabodha.

> >

> > instead of finding temporary relief for the body or mind, the

> native

> > shall strive to achieve self realisation, for the atma knows

only

> > bliss.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Arjunji,

> > >

> > > I sometimes visualize planets as consumables kept in pots

before

> > each

> > > of us in a matrix of 12 cubicles. Some pots are large, others

> > small,

> > > even tiny, some are wide open, others are half closed, a few

> > tigtly

> > > lidded. The pots may contain sweet dishes, or sour or bitter

> even -

> > -

> > > the common person does not know what is what and which is

which

> > and

> > > is perplexed. To make life even more interesting, the pots are

> not

> > > placed in the same place, are certainly not labelled clearly,

and

> > > occasionally it may not be known what they contain even based

on

> > past

> > > experiences because contents do change! Astrology provides

some

> > idea

> > > about this mystery and knowing what to find where, or at least

> > hints

> > > thereof, possibilities thereof, one can approach the labyrinth

of

> > > life with some foreknowledge and some understanding. The

decision

> > > still remains anything than simple, because the wide open pot,

> > though

> > > bright and colourful and attractive may contain boiled

> bittergourd

> > > (sometimes raw too!). One may avoid the karela entirely (at

this

> > > mealtime, though the bitter vegetable will not vanish from

one's

> > > ration forever, just by avoidance or eating it with a lot of

> sugar

> > > etc). One may, if so inclined, with patience (though

famishing)

> > > process that bitter vegetable with condiments of reduced

> > > expectations, service, and other spices and through the heat

of

> > > effort, turn that poisonous-tasting vegetable into a dish that

> > leaves

> > > the memory of life delicious and the next one something to

look

> > > forward to as opposed to dreading! The soul's successful

> > graduation

> > > gift is a necklace of memory beads, memory not as we generally

> see

> > it

> > > as, but memory that comes as 'knowing'.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear RR ji

> > > >

> > > > in my belief Guru represents light and realisation whereas

rahu

> > > > represents darkness and maya. if these two are conjunct in

a

> > > > person's chart, chances are that, like what Rajaneeshji of

Osho

> > > > preached, the person first have a dose of "bhog" and

> > then "tyaag".

> > > > of course i have no classical references and this is my own

> > surmise

> > > > which others may agree or discard.

> > > >

> > > > hence it is hightime we shall find out what all this so

called

> > > > conjunction causing an yoga with a dreaded name could result

in

> > a

> > > > native.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > arjun

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > > > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone

less

> > > > friendly

> > > > > than you may look askance at my post and say that the

> > > > original 'guru

> > > > > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english

(one

> > > > letter

> > > > > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit

> > where

> > > > > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in

> > chandal

> > > > > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -

-

> > let

> > > > them

> > > > > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a

> big

> > > > > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is

it

> > > > called a

> > > > > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks for this new dimension. i liked this very much

as i

> > > > > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at

all.

> > even

> > > > if a

> > > > > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also

> > becomes

> > > a

> > > > > > realised person and becomes a benefic. so guru chandal

> yoga

> > > > shall

> > > > > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well

as

> > the

> > > > guru

> > > > > > who is the guru of the devatas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <rrgb@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many

> > years

> > > > in

> > > > > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not

accompanied

> > by

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all

the

> > way

> > > up

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning

to

> > > > wonder

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and

language

> > > > changes

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it

possible

> > > > (HORRORS!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

> > > > > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really

love

> > to

> > > > live

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > (aka BAD BOY)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , shashi

shekhar

> > > > sharma

> > > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > .HARE

> > > > > RAM.

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if

it

> is

> > > > placed

> > > > > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects

of

> > > other

> > > > > > > benefic Yogas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear lalkitab,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please advice me Whether

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn

or

> > not

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > june 11th 1988

> > > > > > > > time is 20:24

> > > > > > > > place of birth is Tenali

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn

> > antardasa.

> > > > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > grade please help.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the second one

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > june 7th 1958

> > > > > > > > time is 00:50

> > > > > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tella

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > >

May 28, 2006