Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji You have mentioned a interesting way to watch sade sati. It is a new dimension to it. Long back, while reading deva-keralam, I found explicit explanations to the fact that, transit should not be read from moon's position in rashi chart, but from moon's position in D-9 chart. and also, if saturn transits through natal sun/moon/guru etc in D-9, then native suffers; and like wise when guru tansits through these natal planets in D-9, native enjoys. Though there is no links there to functional roles of planets there, but transit of shani / guru have been assessed through natural charactersitics. I too found that moon's transit from navamsha position is a big clue to transit interpretations. I am yet to understand, the saturn's transit in navamsha, as in devakeralam - they used its transit in rashi(signs) in rashi chart as transit in d-9's rashi (or may be I could not grasp the notes of Shri Santhanam in it). regards / Prafulla Gang , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > Hindi to aap thik hi likh leten hain! > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > Kshama karen bandhugan, parantu, motey taur par to sadesathi poori > > teen rashiyon mein mani jati hai (chandra se barhwein mein > prarambh > > hokar dwitiya rashi mein samapt, eisa bahuton ka manna hai) kintu > > kisi ka chandra rashi ke shuruwat mein aur auron ka chandra rashi > ke > > antim bhaag mein hota hai. Yadi shani ka prabhav chandra navamsha > se > > liya jaye, yaneki, sadesati ka prarambh janiye ki jab shani > maharaj > > chandra se barhawen rashi mein hon aur chandra jis navamsha mein > > baitha hai janma kundali mein us navamsha mein shani baba pravesh > > karey, wahan se shani dev jab teesri bar usi navamsha se nikley to > > sade sati ka anta maniye. Is prakar, sade sati pachchees nakshatra > > lambi janiye. Bhed-chaal se thoda hatkar hai yah sochney ka > tarika. > > Aap maaney ya naa maaney, aapkey haath mein satya rakh diya :-) > > > > Jai Jai > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Prafulla, kai barson pahley ek maharashtrian jyotishi bandhu ne jyotishi Katve ji kay siddhanton aur gaveshanaon ka jikra kiya tha. Katve ji ka kahana tha ki sadhe sathi prarambh hoti hai jab shani jatak kay chandra sphuta say paintaalis angsha pichey chalit main ata hai aur SS samapt hoti hai jab shani chandra say paintalais angsha aagey ja pahunchta hai. Aisey socho to baat thik lagti hai, kyonki yadi chandra pandhrah angsha mein ho to jab shani pichli rashi main pravesh karta hai, sade sati shuru hoti hai aivam jab chandra say agli rashi se mukta hota hai (ya rashi aur chandra ko mukta karta hai ;-) to sade sathi samapt hoti hai (sadharan vichar ke mutabiq jisey sab sadhe sati mantey hain in dino). Katvey siddhanta, is hetu chandra kay angsha ka sandarbha leta hai. To mainey socha, kya Katwey ji ka siddhant bhi thoda approximation use kar raha hai, kyonki yah koi rashi paridhi ko sammilit nahin kar raha hai. Ham sab jantey hain, ki navamsha vritta ka maan chalis angsha hota hai. So mainey siddhant main thoda parivartan kiya aur navamsha ko sandarbha mana. Chandra navamsha kay anta main ho, yadi, to sade sathi anumanatah treyalis angsha pahle shuru hoga. Parikshan jaari hai :-) RR , "Prafulla Gang" <ripra_solutions> wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > You have mentioned a interesting way to watch sade sati. It is a new > dimension to it. > > Long back, while reading deva-keralam, I found explicit explanations > to the fact that, transit should not be read from moon's position in > rashi chart, but from moon's position in D-9 chart. and also, if > saturn transits through natal sun/moon/guru etc in D-9, then native > suffers; and like wise when guru tansits through these natal planets > in D-9, native enjoys. Though there is no links there to functional > roles of planets there, but transit of shani / guru have been assessed > through natural charactersitics. > > I too found that moon's transit from navamsha position is a big clue > to transit interpretations. > > I am yet to understand, the saturn's transit in navamsha, as in > devakeralam - they used its transit in rashi(signs) in rashi chart as > transit in d-9's rashi (or may be I could not grasp the notes of Shri > Santhanam in it). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Hindi to aap thik hi likh leten hain! > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Kshama karen bandhugan, parantu, motey taur par to sadesathi poori > > > teen rashiyon mein mani jati hai (chandra se barhwein mein > > prarambh > > > hokar dwitiya rashi mein samapt, eisa bahuton ka manna hai) kintu > > > kisi ka chandra rashi ke shuruwat mein aur auron ka chandra rashi > > ke > > > antim bhaag mein hota hai. Yadi shani ka prabhav chandra navamsha > > se > > > liya jaye, yaneki, sadesati ka prarambh janiye ki jab shani > > maharaj > > > chandra se barhawen rashi mein hon aur chandra jis navamsha mein > > > baitha hai janma kundali mein us navamsha mein shani baba pravesh > > > karey, wahan se shani dev jab teesri bar usi navamsha se nikley to > > > sade sati ka anta maniye. Is prakar, sade sati pachchees nakshatra > > > lambi janiye. Bhed-chaal se thoda hatkar hai yah sochney ka > > tarika. > > > Aap maaney ya naa maaney, aapkey haath mein satya rakh diya :-) > > > > > > Jai Jai > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji Yes, saturn +/- 45' from moon's position makes sense. Coming to navamsa moon - assume moon is in makara in rashi and simha in navamsha. Devakeralam says that when saturn transits over natal planets in navamsha, it presents challenges. Extending the same rationale, saturn in karka / simha / kanya will be sade sati. But I did not understand, your explanation of "teesri bar" shani in transit from the same navamsha. How will we read transit in navamsha - you mean in transit too - we will take navamsha's position OR we will apply rashi transit in navamsha. regards / Prafulla Gang , "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote: > > Prafulla, > > kai barson pahley ek maharashtrian jyotishi bandhu ne jyotishi Katve > ji kay siddhanton aur gaveshanaon ka jikra kiya tha. Katve ji ka > kahana tha ki sadhe sathi prarambh hoti hai jab shani jatak kay > chandra sphuta say paintaalis angsha pichey chalit main ata hai aur > SS samapt hoti hai jab shani chandra say paintalais angsha aagey ja > pahunchta hai. Aisey socho to baat thik lagti hai, kyonki yadi > chandra pandhrah angsha mein ho to jab shani pichli rashi main > pravesh karta hai, sade sati shuru hoti hai aivam jab chandra say > agli rashi se mukta hota hai (ya rashi aur chandra ko mukta karta > hai ;-) to sade sathi samapt hoti hai (sadharan vichar ke mutabiq > jisey sab sadhe sati mantey hain in dino). Katvey siddhanta, is hetu > chandra kay angsha ka sandarbha leta hai. To mainey socha, kya Katwey > ji ka siddhant bhi thoda approximation use kar raha hai, kyonki yah > koi rashi paridhi ko sammilit nahin kar raha hai. Ham sab jantey > hain, ki navamsha vritta ka maan chalis angsha hota hai. So mainey > siddhant main thoda parivartan kiya aur navamsha ko sandarbha mana. > Chandra navamsha kay anta main ho, yadi, to sade sathi anumanatah > treyalis angsha pahle shuru hoga. Parikshan jaari hai :-) > > > RR > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <ripra_solutions@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > You have mentioned a interesting way to watch sade sati. It is a new > > dimension to it. > > > > Long back, while reading deva-keralam, I found explicit explanations > > to the fact that, transit should not be read from moon's position in > > rashi chart, but from moon's position in D-9 chart. and also, if > > saturn transits through natal sun/moon/guru etc in D-9, then native > > suffers; and like wise when guru tansits through these natal planets > > in D-9, native enjoys. Though there is no links there to functional > > roles of planets there, but transit of shani / guru have been > assessed > > through natural charactersitics. > > > > I too found that moon's transit from navamsha position is a big clue > > to transit interpretations. > > > > I am yet to understand, the saturn's transit in navamsha, as in > > devakeralam - they used its transit in rashi(signs) in rashi chart > as > > transit in d-9's rashi (or may be I could not grasp the notes of > Shri > > Santhanam in it). > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Hindi to aap thik hi likh leten hain! > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kshama karen bandhugan, parantu, motey taur par to sadesathi > poori > > > > teen rashiyon mein mani jati hai (chandra se barhwein mein > > > prarambh > > > > hokar dwitiya rashi mein samapt, eisa bahuton ka manna hai) > kintu > > > > kisi ka chandra rashi ke shuruwat mein aur auron ka chandra > rashi > > > ke > > > > antim bhaag mein hota hai. Yadi shani ka prabhav chandra > navamsha > > > se > > > > liya jaye, yaneki, sadesati ka prarambh janiye ki jab shani > > > maharaj > > > > chandra se barhawen rashi mein hon aur chandra jis navamsha > mein > > > > baitha hai janma kundali mein us navamsha mein shani baba > pravesh > > > > karey, wahan se shani dev jab teesri bar usi navamsha se nikley > to > > > > sade sati ka anta maniye. Is prakar, sade sati pachchees > nakshatra > > > > lambi janiye. Bhed-chaal se thoda hatkar hai yah sochney ka > > > tarika. > > > > Aap maaney ya naa maaney, aapkey haath mein satya rakh diya :-) > > > > > > > > Jai Jai > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Prafulla, The actual navamsha position is to be taken in this case and not the navamsha-tulya-rashi (and vice versa) as interpreted by Late Sri Santhanamji in CKN/DK. In fact a few years ago on Ben Collins' Jyotish list a lot of discussion had taken place on the reinterpretation of this 'tulyam' concept and the {"tad trikoney") 'beeja' that gets repeated in those tomes, several times. As usual, no consensus was reached amongst the erudite, jyotishis, only the language and expressions utilized were clearer, purer and almost entirely impersonal compared to some recent venting and outpourings that one must avoid "stepping into" when navigating on some of the lists these days :-) RR , "Prafulla Gang" <ripra_solutions> wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > Yes, saturn +/- 45' from moon's position makes sense. > > Coming to navamsa moon - assume moon is in makara in rashi and simha > in navamsha. Devakeralam says that when saturn transits over natal > planets in navamsha, it presents challenges. Extending the same > rationale, saturn in karka / simha / kanya will be sade sati. But I > did not understand, your explanation of "teesri bar" shani in transit > from the same navamsha. How will we read transit in navamsha - you > mean in transit too - we will take navamsha's position OR we will > apply rashi transit in navamsha. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > Prafulla, > > > > kai barson pahley ek maharashtrian jyotishi bandhu ne jyotishi Katve > > ji kay siddhanton aur gaveshanaon ka jikra kiya tha. Katve ji ka > > kahana tha ki sadhe sathi prarambh hoti hai jab shani jatak kay > > chandra sphuta say paintaalis angsha pichey chalit main ata hai aur > > SS samapt hoti hai jab shani chandra say paintalais angsha aagey ja > > pahunchta hai. Aisey socho to baat thik lagti hai, kyonki yadi > > chandra pandhrah angsha mein ho to jab shani pichli rashi main > > pravesh karta hai, sade sati shuru hoti hai aivam jab chandra say > > agli rashi se mukta hota hai (ya rashi aur chandra ko mukta karta > > hai ;-) to sade sathi samapt hoti hai (sadharan vichar ke mutabiq > > jisey sab sadhe sati mantey hain in dino). Katvey siddhanta, is hetu > > chandra kay angsha ka sandarbha leta hai. To mainey socha, kya Katwey > > ji ka siddhant bhi thoda approximation use kar raha hai, kyonki yah > > koi rashi paridhi ko sammilit nahin kar raha hai. Ham sab jantey > > hain, ki navamsha vritta ka maan chalis angsha hota hai. So mainey > > siddhant main thoda parivartan kiya aur navamsha ko sandarbha mana. > > Chandra navamsha kay anta main ho, yadi, to sade sathi anumanatah > > treyalis angsha pahle shuru hoga. Parikshan jaari hai :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <ripra_solutions@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > You have mentioned a interesting way to watch sade sati. It is a new > > > dimension to it. > > > > > > Long back, while reading deva-keralam, I found explicit explanations > > > to the fact that, transit should not be read from moon's position in > > > rashi chart, but from moon's position in D-9 chart. and also, if > > > saturn transits through natal sun/moon/guru etc in D-9, then native > > > suffers; and like wise when guru tansits through these natal planets > > > in D-9, native enjoys. Though there is no links there to functional > > > roles of planets there, but transit of shani / guru have been > > assessed > > > through natural charactersitics. > > > > > > I too found that moon's transit from navamsha position is a big clue > > > to transit interpretations. > > > > > > I am yet to understand, the saturn's transit in navamsha, as in > > > devakeralam - they used its transit in rashi(signs) in rashi chart > > as > > > transit in d-9's rashi (or may be I could not grasp the notes of > > Shri > > > Santhanam in it). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hindi to aap thik hi likh leten hain! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kshama karen bandhugan, parantu, motey taur par to sadesathi > > poori > > > > > teen rashiyon mein mani jati hai (chandra se barhwein mein > > > > prarambh > > > > > hokar dwitiya rashi mein samapt, eisa bahuton ka manna hai) > > kintu > > > > > kisi ka chandra rashi ke shuruwat mein aur auron ka chandra > > rashi > > > > ke > > > > > antim bhaag mein hota hai. Yadi shani ka prabhav chandra > > navamsha > > > > se > > > > > liya jaye, yaneki, sadesati ka prarambh janiye ki jab shani > > > > maharaj > > > > > chandra se barhawen rashi mein hon aur chandra jis navamsha > > mein > > > > > baitha hai janma kundali mein us navamsha mein shani baba > > pravesh > > > > > karey, wahan se shani dev jab teesri bar usi navamsha se nikley > > to > > > > > sade sati ka anta maniye. Is prakar, sade sati pachchees > > nakshatra > > > > > lambi janiye. Bhed-chaal se thoda hatkar hai yah sochney ka > > > > tarika. > > > > > Aap maaney ya naa maaney, aapkey haath mein satya rakh diya :-) > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji Few months back, on Vedicastrology forum - in a thread on interpretation of D charts : Narasimha had a view that transit of rashi chart must be used in D -9 / 10 etc (like Late Shri Santhanam ji). In his examples as well - in DK, he explained the events on this principle. If navamsa position of saturn to be considered for transit interpretation in D-9 chart, then saturn's navamsha calcuation to be done for each day (which unfortunately not compiled by most software in their transit summary). I normally try to observe tranit from moon's natal position tulya rashi in D9; and for career in D10. It justifies many a times, candidate for such an event. In D10's moon natal position tulya rashi - if saturn causes sade sati then there are pressures relating to career /work / job / business. I will try to apply saturn's transit in D9 (with its navamsha transit) and observe its application. regards / Prafulla PS - I agree, that one need not step into, the thread carrying personal outbursts. Perhaps my moon provoked me. I will remain restraint in future. , "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote: > > Prafulla, > > The actual navamsha position is to be taken in this case and not the > navamsha-tulya-rashi (and vice versa) as interpreted by Late Sri > Santhanamji in CKN/DK. In fact a few years ago on Ben Collins' > Jyotish list a lot of discussion had taken place on the > reinterpretation of this 'tulyam' concept and the {"tad > trikoney") 'beeja' that gets repeated in those tomes, several times. > As usual, no consensus was reached amongst the erudite, jyotishis, > only the language and expressions utilized were clearer, purer and > almost entirely impersonal compared to some recent venting and > outpourings that one must avoid "stepping into" when navigating on > some of the lists these days :-) > > RR > > , "Prafulla Gang" > <ripra_solutions@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > Yes, saturn +/- 45' from moon's position makes sense. > > > > Coming to navamsa moon - assume moon is in makara in rashi and simha > > in navamsha. Devakeralam says that when saturn transits over natal > > planets in navamsha, it presents challenges. Extending the same > > rationale, saturn in karka / simha / kanya will be sade sati. But I > > did not understand, your explanation of "teesri bar" shani in > transit > > from the same navamsha. How will we read transit in navamsha - you > > mean in transit too - we will take navamsha's position OR we will > > apply rashi transit in navamsha. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > wrote: > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > > > > kai barson pahley ek maharashtrian jyotishi bandhu ne jyotishi > Katve > > > ji kay siddhanton aur gaveshanaon ka jikra kiya tha. Katve ji ka > > > kahana tha ki sadhe sathi prarambh hoti hai jab shani jatak kay > > > chandra sphuta say paintaalis angsha pichey chalit main ata hai > aur > > > SS samapt hoti hai jab shani chandra say paintalais angsha aagey > ja > > > pahunchta hai. Aisey socho to baat thik lagti hai, kyonki yadi > > > chandra pandhrah angsha mein ho to jab shani pichli rashi main > > > pravesh karta hai, sade sati shuru hoti hai aivam jab chandra say > > > agli rashi se mukta hota hai (ya rashi aur chandra ko mukta karta > > > hai ;-) to sade sathi samapt hoti hai (sadharan vichar ke mutabiq > > > jisey sab sadhe sati mantey hain in dino). Katvey siddhanta, is > hetu > > > chandra kay angsha ka sandarbha leta hai. To mainey socha, kya > Katwey > > > ji ka siddhant bhi thoda approximation use kar raha hai, kyonki > yah > > > koi rashi paridhi ko sammilit nahin kar raha hai. Ham sab jantey > > > hain, ki navamsha vritta ka maan chalis angsha hota hai. So > mainey > > > siddhant main thoda parivartan kiya aur navamsha ko sandarbha > mana. > > > Chandra navamsha kay anta main ho, yadi, to sade sathi anumanatah > > > treyalis angsha pahle shuru hoga. Parikshan jaari hai :-) > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > <ripra_solutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > > > You have mentioned a interesting way to watch sade sati. It is > a new > > > > dimension to it. > > > > > > > > Long back, while reading deva-keralam, I found explicit > explanations > > > > to the fact that, transit should not be read from moon's > position in > > > > rashi chart, but from moon's position in D-9 chart. and also, if > > > > saturn transits through natal sun/moon/guru etc in D-9, then > native > > > > suffers; and like wise when guru tansits through these natal > planets > > > > in D-9, native enjoys. Though there is no links there to > functional > > > > roles of planets there, but transit of shani / guru have been > > > assessed > > > > through natural charactersitics. > > > > > > > > I too found that moon's transit from navamsha position is a big > clue > > > > to transit interpretations. > > > > > > > > I am yet to understand, the saturn's transit in navamsha, as in > > > > devakeralam - they used its transit in rashi(signs) in rashi > chart > > > as > > > > transit in d-9's rashi (or may be I could not grasp the notes > of > > > Shri > > > > Santhanam in it). > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hindi to aap thik hi likh leten hain! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > <rrgb@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kshama karen bandhugan, parantu, motey taur par to > sadesathi > > > poori > > > > > > teen rashiyon mein mani jati hai (chandra se barhwein mein > > > > > prarambh > > > > > > hokar dwitiya rashi mein samapt, eisa bahuton ka manna hai) > > > kintu > > > > > > kisi ka chandra rashi ke shuruwat mein aur auron ka chandra > > > rashi > > > > > ke > > > > > > antim bhaag mein hota hai. Yadi shani ka prabhav chandra > > > navamsha > > > > > se > > > > > > liya jaye, yaneki, sadesati ka prarambh janiye ki jab shani > > > > > maharaj > > > > > > chandra se barhawen rashi mein hon aur chandra jis navamsha > > > mein > > > > > > baitha hai janma kundali mein us navamsha mein shani baba > > > pravesh > > > > > > karey, wahan se shani dev jab teesri bar usi navamsha se > nikley > > > to > > > > > > sade sati ka anta maniye. Is prakar, sade sati pachchees > > > nakshatra > > > > > > lambi janiye. Bhed-chaal se thoda hatkar hai yah sochney ka > > > > > tarika. > > > > > > Aap maaney ya naa maaney, aapkey haath mein satya rakh > diya :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Prafulla, PVR has also stated this in his textbook on integrated approach to astrology, making an extremely good case for this not just for navamsha but other divisional charts too. However, there also exists an opinion voiced by a few who maintain that the vargas should not be considered in the chart configuration but as discreet points. In other words, a planet in libra 2 degrees and scorpio 12 degrees, for example are both in libra navamsha but not in the same 'house' in the navamsha chart, because according to them there is no navamsha "chart". Another of those mysteries in jyotish and its vast collage of synthesis, antithesis and hypothesis. Not to worry about little barbs and outbursts. Consider it pressure release, from time to time, that some must carry out. Maybe someday I will be knows as rohiniranjan the releaser (I will start signing RRR then ;-) RR , "Prafulla Gang" <ripra_solutions> wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > Few months back, on Vedicastrology forum - in a thread on > interpretation of D charts : Narasimha had a view that transit of > rashi chart must be used in D -9 / 10 etc (like Late Shri Santhanam > ji). In his examples as well - in DK, he explained the events on this > principle. > > If navamsa position of saturn to be considered for transit > interpretation in D-9 chart, then saturn's navamsha calcuation to be > done for each day (which unfortunately not compiled by most software > in their transit summary). > > I normally try to observe tranit from moon's natal position tulya > rashi in D9; and for career in D10. It justifies many a times, > candidate for such an event. In D10's moon natal position tulya rashi > - if saturn causes sade sati then there are pressures relating to > career /work / job / business. > > I will try to apply saturn's transit in D9 (with its navamsha transit) > and observe its application. > > regards / Prafulla > > PS - I agree, that one need not step into, the thread carrying > personal outbursts. Perhaps my moon provoked me. I will remain > restraint in future. > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > Prafulla, > > > > The actual navamsha position is to be taken in this case and not the > > navamsha-tulya-rashi (and vice versa) as interpreted by Late Sri > > Santhanamji in CKN/DK. In fact a few years ago on Ben Collins' > > Jyotish list a lot of discussion had taken place on the > > reinterpretation of this 'tulyam' concept and the {"tad > > trikoney") 'beeja' that gets repeated in those tomes, several times. > > As usual, no consensus was reached amongst the erudite, jyotishis, > > only the language and expressions utilized were clearer, purer and > > almost entirely impersonal compared to some recent venting and > > outpourings that one must avoid "stepping into" when navigating on > > some of the lists these days :-) > > > > RR > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > <ripra_solutions@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > Yes, saturn +/- 45' from moon's position makes sense. > > > > > > Coming to navamsa moon - assume moon is in makara in rashi and simha > > > in navamsha. Devakeralam says that when saturn transits over natal > > > planets in navamsha, it presents challenges. Extending the same > > > rationale, saturn in karka / simha / kanya will be sade sati. But I > > > did not understand, your explanation of "teesri bar" shani in > > transit > > > from the same navamsha. How will we read transit in navamsha - you > > > mean in transit too - we will take navamsha's position OR we will > > > apply rashi transit in navamsha. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > > > > > > kai barson pahley ek maharashtrian jyotishi bandhu ne jyotishi > > Katve > > > > ji kay siddhanton aur gaveshanaon ka jikra kiya tha. Katve ji ka > > > > kahana tha ki sadhe sathi prarambh hoti hai jab shani jatak kay > > > > chandra sphuta say paintaalis angsha pichey chalit main ata hai > > aur > > > > SS samapt hoti hai jab shani chandra say paintalais angsha aagey > > ja > > > > pahunchta hai. Aisey socho to baat thik lagti hai, kyonki yadi > > > > chandra pandhrah angsha mein ho to jab shani pichli rashi main > > > > pravesh karta hai, sade sati shuru hoti hai aivam jab chandra say > > > > agli rashi se mukta hota hai (ya rashi aur chandra ko mukta karta > > > > hai ;-) to sade sathi samapt hoti hai (sadharan vichar ke mutabiq > > > > jisey sab sadhe sati mantey hain in dino). Katvey siddhanta, is > > hetu > > > > chandra kay angsha ka sandarbha leta hai. To mainey socha, kya > > Katwey > > > > ji ka siddhant bhi thoda approximation use kar raha hai, kyonki > > yah > > > > koi rashi paridhi ko sammilit nahin kar raha hai. Ham sab jantey > > > > hain, ki navamsha vritta ka maan chalis angsha hota hai. So > > mainey > > > > siddhant main thoda parivartan kiya aur navamsha ko sandarbha > > mana. > > > > Chandra navamsha kay anta main ho, yadi, to sade sathi anumanatah > > > > treyalis angsha pahle shuru hoga. Parikshan jaari hai :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Prafulla Gang" > > > > <ripra_solutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned a interesting way to watch sade sati. It is > > a new > > > > > dimension to it. > > > > > > > > > > Long back, while reading deva-keralam, I found explicit > > explanations > > > > > to the fact that, transit should not be read from moon's > > position in > > > > > rashi chart, but from moon's position in D-9 chart. and also, if > > > > > saturn transits through natal sun/moon/guru etc in D-9, then > > native > > > > > suffers; and like wise when guru tansits through these natal > > planets > > > > > in D-9, native enjoys. Though there is no links there to > > functional > > > > > roles of planets there, but transit of shani / guru have been > > > > assessed > > > > > through natural charactersitics. > > > > > > > > > > I too found that moon's transit from navamsha position is a big > > clue > > > > > to transit interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > I am yet to understand, the saturn's transit in navamsha, as in > > > > > devakeralam - they used its transit in rashi(signs) in rashi > > chart > > > > as > > > > > transit in d-9's rashi (or may be I could not grasp the notes > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > Santhanam in it). > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi to aap thik hi likh leten hain! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <rrgb@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kshama karen bandhugan, parantu, motey taur par to > > sadesathi > > > > poori > > > > > > > teen rashiyon mein mani jati hai (chandra se barhwein mein > > > > > > prarambh > > > > > > > hokar dwitiya rashi mein samapt, eisa bahuton ka manna hai) > > > > kintu > > > > > > > kisi ka chandra rashi ke shuruwat mein aur auron ka chandra > > > > rashi > > > > > > ke > > > > > > > antim bhaag mein hota hai. Yadi shani ka prabhav chandra > > > > navamsha > > > > > > se > > > > > > > liya jaye, yaneki, sadesati ka prarambh janiye ki jab shani > > > > > > maharaj > > > > > > > chandra se barhawen rashi mein hon aur chandra jis navamsha > > > > mein > > > > > > > baitha hai janma kundali mein us navamsha mein shani baba > > > > pravesh > > > > > > > karey, wahan se shani dev jab teesri bar usi navamsha se > > nikley > > > > to > > > > > > > sade sati ka anta maniye. Is prakar, sade sati pachchees > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > lambi janiye. Bhed-chaal se thoda hatkar hai yah sochney ka > > > > > > tarika. > > > > > > > Aap maaney ya naa maaney, aapkey haath mein satya rakh > > diya :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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