Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Dear Bhagavat Dharma prabhu, PAMHO, AGTSP. 1) I see you have not answered the point I made with regards Bhakta Rupa prabhu's self contradiction. He is telling me to do something which he himself is not doing. That is my only point. Once more why is it 'childish' to point out his glaring self-contradiction? Are you saying that all debate is 'childish', or just all debates where self contradiction is pointed out? I am afraid you have lost me. 2) You also label whatever I say on Srila Prabhupada's instructions on initiation 'politics', yet when you or Bhakta Rupa or the GBC say anything then of course magically it is not politics. This is a similar type of contradiction, unless you can actually prove and that all ritviks are simply trying to gain power over men and money (the definition of politics). I look forward to seeing the evidence for the above. 3) You also are hypocrite in that you claim to be speaking up for Bhakta Rupa prabhu but refuse to follow his advice to take shelter in the holy name. Instead you are happy to engage in the verbal politics that Bhakta Rupa prabhu was trying to warn us against. Do you take regular shelter of the holy name? 4) You say I insist on war, yet if you cast your mind back it was the GBC who tried to expel myself and Madhu Pandit from ISKCON simply because we did not agree with them. We never instigated this war. I did not hear a squeak out of you when the GBC issued their expulsion order. And when the war has begun you now want to pontificate about 'confrontation' etc. Are you saying that if something illegal is going on within ISKCON then nobody should do anything about it? If that is your position then it is nothing to be proud of, I should keep it to yourself if I were you. In stopping the ritvik system the GBC have acted illegally. In defending themselves the GBC have even committed perjury! When will you wake up? Never mind your grandchildren, what will your own children think when they understand what type of nonsense guru system you defended to the very last? 5) Could you tell me which of the accusations (bogus, abusive etc) I made against the current guru system is inaccurate? Which thing mentioned has not occurred? Please be specific 6) You also launch a nasty and inaccurate ad hominem attack on Krishnakant prabhu. Of course when you or the GBC make up falsehood and snide innuendos then it is just fine. 7) Your intellectual powerhouse is of course Tamal Krishna who has changed his mind NINE times over the issue of the Guru in the last twenty three years. He is the source of your understanding, even Ravindra quotes his Topanga Canyon confessions as though they were some sort of sastra, yet he has caused untold mayhem. Do you deny this? If so you should read his own academic book where he confesses some of this mayhem. He is the person who has been 'a trouble-maker from day one' of Srila Prabhupada's departure, you got the wrong guy. 8) Please tell me which bit of the Final Order paper is twisted or wrong? Please be specific, maybe I can clarify things for you since you seem prone to misapprehension. 9) With regard salaries, I simply pointed out the great danger that you will be controlled, and in your own words 'used', by the people who pay your salaries. You brought up the subject of being 'used' not me. You have forgotten that it was your ad-hominem not mine. Factually you are being 'used' for various purposes by those who pay your wages. The point is that you need to defend the corrupt Guru system since your livelihood depends on them, and that is the only recent you are saying what you are saying. You have a track record of singing the tune of whoever pays your wages. You have made a paid career out of defending the zonal acharya regime, the Siva Rama regime, and then the Harikesa regime. It is a simple fact that your opinions co-incinde with whoever happens to be paying your wages, or who may pay your wages in the future. I however have no need to take a single paisa from the temple for myself. I come from an extremely wealthy family, and therefore it is not possible for anyone to keep me in their pocket by paying my wages - since I do not need any. Best wishes ys, Adri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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