Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Dear Adri PAMHO AGTSP As I suspected, instead of answering the questions calling for your resignation you have -- unsurprisingly -- hurtled an irrelevant digressional ad hominem at my wife. So let's go back to the questions Adri that you are so desperately trying to avoid. 1. Can you confirm that no ISKCON Calcutta money has been spent on any aspect whatsoever of your unauthorised ritvik speculation and propaganda? Adri if you don't answer this question your silence will confirm your guilt. 2. Will you admit that you have completely broken your oath of allegience to ISKCON and therefore you are unfit to occupy the post of an ISKCON temple president? Again Adri, if you don't answer this question your silence will confirm your guilt. Let's remind ourselves Adri of the ISKCON laws you TOOK AN OATH IN FRONT OF THE DEITIES TO FOLLOW. If you are not following these ISKCON laws mentioned below then you must resign. There is no question about it. Please be decent. ISKCON Law Book 5.4.2.1 Statement of Oath 2. To accept the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON as the ultimate managing authority of ISKCON as directed in Srila Prabhupada's last will and testament. 4. To accept that all ISKCON funds, assets and properties under my control or direction, including anything ISKCON may have acquired under my direction, is the sole property of ISKCON and in the event of my death, resignation or other relinquishment of all ISKCON responsibilities, all these shall accrue solely to ISKCON and at all times I shall have no claim on them whatsoever. 5. To be guided by the spiritual directions of ISKCON's management, to cooperate with the local GBC representative, and to fulfill my duties in a serving spirit never intentionally acting against ISKCON interests. 6. I will maintain the spiritual programs, standards, and teachings established by Srila Prabhupada in the projects and with the devotees placed in my care. I further agree not to involve the Society or those devotees placed under my care in any activities contrary to the above mentioned principles. Adri, given that you are breaking and are absolutely determined to continue breaking all the above mentioned oaths, you must resign. You have clearly demonstrated Adri that in defiance of Srila Prabhupada you will never co-operate with the GBC and therefore you must, like a true gentleman and Vaishnava, gracefully resign. Adri you called into question my position but that it not the point. I have not committed the sin of taking ISKCON to court, you have. Nevertheless, I'll respond to your points since if I remain silent you'll accuse me of being guilty, as you may well confirm your guilt by remaining silent to the above questions calling for your resignation. > Ajamila feels that my resigning would be the 'decent thing' to do. Surely > the 'decent thing' for him to do would be to try and look after matters > closer to home than poking his nose into matters that do not concern him. You are wrong, if you try to destroy ISKCON then naturally I and everyone else in ISKCON have every right to complain. > The English Yatra is being ravaged by Narayana Maharaja's camp, and one of > those leading the charge is his own wife! Wrong again. NM's followers in UK have hardly affected the main stream ISKCON. Don't believe me? Ask the GBC and TPs. My wife believes she can get some Krishna katha with the NM devotees. Coherced by her so-called friends she has started going there, against my wishes. But you are wrong, she does not 'lead the charge'. And at least she's not a ritvik. > Surely this is one area where he > would be more use employing whatever 'preaching ability' he has. We have > seen he is of no use on this subject. You are entitled to your opinion. But your opinion with most devotees in ISKCON has no value, particularly if your pre-emminent siksha-guru is Mr Desai, one of the Faked Final Order fabricators, who you accept over and above Srila Prabhupada. Adri, you've really fallen for Desai's trash hook, line, and sinker. He saw you coming a mile away!! Don't you have a mind of your own? Do you really need someone like Desai to do your thinking for you? He has never been in ISKCON, has never done any service for ISKCON, he is a complete outsider, he manifests all the symptoms of a speculative mayavadi, yet you have become his dancing mouthpiece!! Adri, all the ritvik nonsense you speak is not really you speaking -- it is the Kali/Desai speaking through you. Please wake up!! > After his humiliation in the CHAKRA > debate the GBC could not wait to distance themselves from him fast enough. Wrong again. Oh dear!! I presented in the CHAKRA debate the essence of "Prabhupada's Order' the official GBC paper on post samadhi initiations in ISKCON. In addition to receiving many, many encouragement letters from varius GBC members for reiterating the official ISKCON poistion, in an unofficial capacity, the ISKCON position received nearly 4,000 VERIFIYABLE VOTES from devotees worldwide. To the contrary your ritvik FAKED FINAL ORDER received hardly a handful of votes. At first you received over a thousand UNVERIFIABLE votes and when you were asked to send in VERIFIABLE VOTES only a handful of votes came in. We could only conclude when you could only come up wth a handful of verifiable votes that not only was your Final Order FAKED but your 1,000 votes were faked too!! > No wonder, since in the CHAKRA debate, his main contribution was to first > contradict HH Hrdyananda Swami, and then to contradict the whole GBC by > disagreeing with their official position on the "law of Disciplic > Succession!. Wrong again, Mr strawman. I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave during the CHAKRA debate. Adri you seem to forget things rather quickly. > Even the ISKCON Office of Child Protection no longer use him > as a Judge, since it was found out he was sympathetic to Paedophillia > having gone on record stating in writing that Paedophillia is nowehere > near as bad as simply professing that Srila Prabhupada has the power to > guide us and take us back to Godhead. Indeed this man has no standing in > any community. Wrong again. I'm still a judge for the CPO. My comments were about your unprecendented abuse of power and position in ISKCON. > We challenge him to get just one GBC man to say that he > represents them. Wrong again. You name one GBC member who disagrees with the philosophical representation of the paper 'Prabhupada's Order" I made during the CHAKRA debate. > At least Bhagavat Dharma for all his misconceptions has > some position in ISKCON. Ajamila represents no one except his own mental > speculations. Wrong again. In the CHAKRA debate I proved irrefutably with evidence from guru, sadhu, and sastra that your posthumous ritvik concoction is not only a gross deviation from our disciplic succession but an insult to Srila Prabhupada. You are so blinded now by your ego that you put that above even the conclusions of sastra. You are a danger to ISKCON and therefore you must resign. > To understand just why this man is such a laughing stock > please consider this latest gem from him: > > < We all agree ISKCON needs reform, but Adri's deliquent reform so far > has only brought about DEFORM in the lives of many thousands of devotees, > and DEFORM to ISKCON's reputation.> > > ISKCON is currently enduring the worst publicity and attack on its > reputation in its history due to acts of mass paedophillia, a situation > that has been brought about due to the tolerance of paedophilla and the > regime that perpetrated these acts. And Adri is such a selfish friend of ISKCON that he pimps to the Indian press and makes the situation worse, using the unfortunate fate of the past abused kids to ram home his ritvik agenda for sake of legalistic power control. This is the lowest of the low -- bottom of the pond stuff. You kick ISKCON when it is down. Even Duryodhana wouldn't do that. > Ajamila as we have seen thinks that > simply believing that Srila Prabhupada is the Jagat-Guru of ISKCON and our > saviour, is worse than Paedophillia! You are an abuser on a mayavada philosophical level while the past most horrible child abusers are on a sensual level. According to Srila Prabhupada mayavada philosophical abuse is worse. And it was proved in the CHAKRA debate that your posthumous concoction puts Srila Prabhupada in the position of being God, nay better than God, and that is Mayavada and a great insult (and you are so foolish and blind you can't see it). Mayavada acording to sastra is the most dangerous of all. > And he has also been a resolute > supporter of trying to get persons such as the Child Abuser Dhanudara > re-instated as an initiating Guru in ISKCON - so we know his tolerance > towards Child abuse. Wrong again. Little do you know that I just voted against Dhanudara Swami's re-instatment as an initiating guru in ISKCON. Ask the CPO. Adri, why do you ALWAYS speculate? > And yet he thinks it is the IRM, which is the only > organisation to have spent tens of thousands of dollars in paid > advertisements to disassociate Srila Prabhupada from the horrendous child > abuse which occurred, that is responsible for problems in ISKCON'S > reputation. He really is a joke. A 10 year conservative calculation of the extent of the damage done by the ritviks worldwide to Srila Prabhupada's preaching mission would be in excess of 50 million dollars. Adri, you'll get a massive share of the reaction for that. Many tens of thousands of devotees and aspiring devotees have left ISKCON because of being infected with the Vaisnava aparadhas of ritvikism. So much time, money, and energy has been lost by ISKCON dealing with argumentative people like you Adri who refuse to accept the conclusions of guru, sadhu, and sastra. Adri this is not a joke, your position is most unfortunate, it is written all over the sastras. You obviously have not studied properly Srila Prabhupada's books. You should resign immediately. And owing to the stench of your aparadhas against every ISKCON guru almost everyone in ISKCON wants you to resign immediately. Can't you see that? Are you so arrogant that you think you are right and everyone else is wrong? Don't you feel any dignity or shame? Are you really human? Praying for an ISKCON without any of your ritvik nonsense and arguments, and your resignation. ys ada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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