GBC authority and responsibility

[Guest guest]

>

> The GBCs that I know do set a very good example themselves and they do

> request the same of the devotees under their charge.

>

> But you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

>

> One can lead thousands of followers from Bombay to Delhi but one can't

> carry even a single person for even a fraction of that distance.

 

But nobody is neither expecting nor demanding from the GBCs to be

responsible for people's developing the love of God and their spiritual

advancement on the path back to Him. Your analogies are being misplaced

here.

 

Why is it so hard to at *least* understand what the fields of

responsibility are there for the managing authorities? It seems

like there is a kind of popular view of ISCKON's "ultimate managing

authority" as some crippled touristic agency. No wonder it's a mess

and chaos left and right.

 

Have you ever been in your life some kind of managing authority to

anybody?

 

 

- mnd

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this sane and practicle suggestion. Aren't the GBC men,

compared to Watchdog by Srila Prabhupada, and as such, entitled to catch the

criminals by jumping on them, to use the long-drawn-out metaphor?

Aren't they responsible to make sure proper chastisement have been applied

to abusers and proper care, understanding, respect, and validation have been

offered to the victims (even though it might have been their karma, as they

are used to say), before they find themselves dragged into an awful court

case?

Can any pure follower, a GBC representative hopefully, answer please?

At least His Grace Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu should, as the chairman of the

GBC for this year, humbly take the trouble to answer the assembled devotees.

Thank you in advance. Your servant at Prabhupada's lotus feet, KKdd

[Guest guest]

> As Madhava Gosh prabhu pointed out, the GBC

> members aren't even following the rules re. cow protection that they

> themselves voted for. Does anyone know if that resolution specified any

> consequences for GBC members who fail to make the required inspections and

> reports?

>

 

As I recall, when we were discussing this during the formulation of the Cow

Standards, it was decided to not make any attempt to make a consequence, as

the Minister of Agriculture has no budget or real authority to enforce

anything, so why make ourselves look foolish by stating consequences when

there was no realistic expectation of enforcement.

 

If the cows aren't protected, there will be reactions. In my mind, the Cow

Standards was the last ditch effort to save ISKCON. The enforcement has come

in the form of the gurukula lawsuit. I know this sounds a little esoteric,

but that is what I believe.

 

Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 8: Chapter Twenty-four, Text 5 :PURPORT

 

Without protection of cows, brahminical culture cannot be maintained;

and without brahminical culture, the aim of life cannot be fulfilled.

 

 

Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 1: Chapter Nineteen, Text ; :PURPORT

 

Cow protection means feeding the brahminical culture, which leads towards

God consciousness, and thus perfection of human civilization is achieved.

 

 

>

> In terms of other enforcement issues: I know that Danurdhar should be

> suspended from ISKCON now, according to the CPO judgment, not for

> initiating (which the EC already decided to allow), but for the other

> rules, such as the not giving classes in NA" that he broke. I'm still

> waiting. Until I see that such and similar enforcement is in fact

> happening, it is very hard for me to understand how the GBC can be seen as

> a managing authority.

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

>

> > However, our society wants, needs and deserves a management structure that

> > clearly delineates the lines of authority and responsibility. Currently,

> > the management system is not as effective as it could or should be. That

> > should not be interpreted to mean there is no management and no authority.

> > Prabhupada clearly designated the authority. Hopefully, the GBC will hear

> > the voices of the devotees and implement the process of reformation

> > without further delay.

 

I am never attracted by simplistic changes that are heralded as being a

panacea. One reason I never really cared for the rittvik thing. Simple

wholesale resignation won't accomplish much in the long run.

 

I think that the GBC needs to decide if it is a brahminical or ksatriya

organization and then make another organization that is what it isn't.

If it is going to deal with affairs of land management, then it is a

ksatriya organization, and a new brahminical advisory board should be

started. As being a guru is a brahminical function, any gurus should

be on the brahminical board, as well as sannyasis, as we can

understand from scipture.

 

If it isn't going to deal with land management, then it needs to

establish a new board to deal with such things..

 

The nature and good qualifications of what it takes to be a sannyasa,

are different than the nature and qualifications of someone who is

involved

with asset management. The GBC needs to split into 2 separate groups.

The

brahminical group will set examples of ideal behavior through personal

behavior, and give advise to the hands on managers. There needs to be

a balance.

 

Previously it may have been essential to have sannyasis in management,

due to the lack of a class of elders in the movement, but that doesn't

mean

we need to perpetuate emergency procedures as a status quo.

[Guest guest]

It is incorrect to assume that no abusers were prosecuted and that those

that weren't escaped because of cover-ups and protection. For the most part,

those that escaped did so because the parties involved did not press charges

at the time, or the local authorities declined to prosecute for their own

reasons. Their are also places in the world where prosecuting suspected

child abusers is not an available option.

 

There are probably cases where a local leader suppressed information in

order to avoid scandal, and perhaps you can give the examples. However, I

think you will find far more cases where the opposite is true.

 

 

Mahanidhi (AT) pamho (DOT) net [Mahanidhi (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

 

That those crime performers got away so easily without even having

to smell the air of some court, in my opinion is only due to having

been protected within ISCKON by somebody in authority position. Or

as the usual expression for this goes: the cover up. Hence sharing

the consequences once "the poop hits the fan".

 

 

- mnd

[Guest guest]

>

> Good morning. Looks to me like it's 8 pm (Dallas time).

 

Good night, it's 11:50 PM here in India :-).

 

ys, bb