Choice: Guru or GBC?

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> This is a very sensible proposal. Varnashrama should not be forced, but

> its principles must nevertheless be instituted. Giving a choice, "You can

> be a guru or sannyasi, or you can be a GBC and a manager," allows leaders

> to decide for themselves where they wish to fit in. Prabhupada was

> everything to everybody, but it is obvious we should not try to imitate

> him.

 

> Dividing responsibilities along varnashrama lines will be a huge step

> forward for the Krishna consciousness movement.

 

I wander why it takes our society so long to apply this in practice.

I appreciated very much your thoughtfull and resonable comment.

 

 

> It won't be necessary to discuss for years brahmana vs. ksatriya

> definitions. Anyone can appreciate the simplicity and straightforwardness

> of the idea. It is a tangible proposal that will enjoy broad support; and

> it has the virtue of posing very little risk to the Society.

>

> Your servant,

> Sri Rama das

>

> [srirama (AT) pamho (DOT) net], or

> [srirama (AT) jps (DOT) net]

>

>

> Devakinandan.JUHU (AT) pamho (DOT) net [Devakinandan.JUHU (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

>

> > Dear Prabhu's and Maharaja's too! Jaya Prabhupada.

> >

> > Pancharatna Prabhu has brought forward a very sticky question. and

> > Mahatma's and kala dasa's proposals leave a lot to think about.

> >

> > Things must be done so carefully, sensitively, and constructively to try

> > to be both effective and try to stimulate a re-building of faith in the

> > GBC body again.

> >

> > Yes, the rest of all the ideas of a joint GBC restructuring certainly

> > need some thought. Pancharatna is right, there is a lot of work to do,

> > not all the Sannyasi's and gurus on the body are bad, but I think that

> > sannyasi's and guru's for their own purity *should not* be on that

> > managerial body, problem is that people are *so fried* that it's hard to

> > find people to replace them in their present areas.

> >

> > I have openly discussed this topic with moderate GBC's whom I respect

> > (and serve) highly. I know some GBC's Sannyasi gurus who have personally

> > told me, "hey I'd be in ecstacy to resign, but I've asked so and so, and

> > more but I can't find anyone willing to be the GBC in my area."

> >

> > So (1) find the candidate willing (good luck!) then (2) like Mahatma

> > says, training them up, with new guidelines. then hopefully with all the

> > guru's and sannyasi's off the body (eventually because they are better

> > off concentrating their full energy to looking to their purity and the

> > purity of their followers and disciples), then the GBC body could

> > possibly start to actually function managerially to bring order to the

> > burnt remnants of Iskcon.

> >

> > Management is best left to Ksatriya Housholders, with emeritius

> > sannyasi's, guru's & Deputies other "friends of the body" as powerless

> > voteless advisors.

> >

> > The old GBC's would have to be assistants to train and help the new

> > canditates whenever called upon to give advice.

> >

> > but the new Gbc's must have clean, free hands to restructure things

> > without undo pressures from the old club who might become 'emeritius'.

> > They would be advisers only, without powers to interfere.

> >

> > any comments here?

> >

> > I suppose it'll take another Iskcon wide referendum and proposals from

> > the Deputies, who'd be the likely candidates from the various areas as

> > the New GBc's.

> >

> > I was thinking about Pancaratna's statement, that his proposal was set

> > aside in the deputies area. It might be formally re-written and

> > submitted again, but perhaps the deputies are unwilling to accept their

> > seniors jobs- although the pressures are certainly building for

> > restructuring the GBC. Do the deputies agree?

> >

> > Or do they think the whole "resignation" idea to be a bit too radical or

> > too Premature right now, when at any rate war is already proceeding

> > declared on 2 fronts?

> >

> > Can new generals be called in to adopt a peaceable negotiated truce with

> > the warring parties, or are they ready to continue trying to muster

> > support to wage the fight anew if the parties refused to back down?

> >

> > No easy answers indeed. A lot more discussion (and research) and

> > possibly a referendum *might* have to be organized.

> >

> > ys MMDASBR

>

> I like the proposal of Pancharatna prabhu as well as Nayanranjan and

> Mahamantra prabhu. I also agree with Mahatma prabhu and others that it

> should be changed very very carefully. Chanakya pandit says - if you let

> go certainty and run after uncertainties, you will lose both. We do have

> many qualified people in our society to run the society if they are guided

> properly. I have certain ideas (proposal) for which you may give your

> valuable comment.

> 1. Prabhupada's instructions on GBC and its functions should be brought in

> front. Otherhand I feel that GBC are not following the instructions of Sri

> Prabhupada as it is.

> 2. The post of Guru and GBC should be separate. One person having two

> posts brings the conflict of interest, in the service. So I propose to

> give the chance to present GBC Gurus to decide whether they want to remain

> GBC or Guru. If they want to remain as GBC than they should resign from

> Guru post and stop initiating. They should take care of their GBC duties

> and their disciples whom they have already initiated. Others who want to

> resign as GBC and want to remain ONLY Gurus than they should be advisor to

> GBC Body. According to vedic culture and Varnashram system a King always

> had an advisor. Like Vashistha was advisor to King Dasharath, Chanakya was

> advisor to Chandragupta Maurya and so on. Same way GBC is administrative

> body and we should have a Brahmanical Counsel to advise them. I feel if we

> create a new GBC, the fresh blood with Advisor than the functioning of

> society will be very smooth. As it is GBC today has become a laughing

> stock. What to say of seniors, even junior devotees are having doubt and

> losing faith in GBC. If the present GBC voluntarily resigns they will gain

> respect and confidence of the devotees that they are not attached to the

> post. For them society is priority and not the post. But in the present

> situation, it appears that they are too attached to the post and even

> after so much undercurrent demand which they know very well, still they

> want to hold on to their positions. Hey, it sounds like politicians.

>

> Anyway they are the senior members of the society. They must take moral

> responsibility of whatever happends in the society as well as they should

> take the responsibility of what will happen to the society in future. I

> feel we should air out our feelings and leave it to them. They are

> Vaishnavas. Prabhupada and Krishna will guide them.

> One more funny thing is that none of the GBCs are giving any comment on

> the above.

> Your servant.

> Devakinandan Das.