Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 In a message dated 8/27/2000 4:42:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Krishna.Dharma (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: > Here, here. Must we be subjected to this propaganda? Certainly not, simply remove yourself from the conferences. I for one do not appreciate being protected by censorship, no matter how well intentioned. Don't you think most devotees can make up their own minds whether or not something is simply propaganda or in fact revelation? yhs, Kanti dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 > > > > > Forwarding a copy of one newsletter to one conference is not a spam. > > Hang on, if the newsletter in question is totally IRRELEVANT to the > conferences to which it was sent, and a conference is made up of individuals > seeking to discuss in a dignified manner ONLY a specific topic like > varnashrama, India news, or whatever then how is that an offensive ritvik > newsletter sent to a conference that offends most of the individuals therein > is not in the same category? It amounts to the same thing: The individuals > in the conference become subjected to stuff they never d to in the > first place. > Spam has a very specific definition. Something may be rude or inconsiderate or out of the flow of discussion, but that doesn't make it spam. Spam by definition is a certain thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 "Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK)" wrote: > > SPAM is a mixture of dead animal parts, scraped together with some spices > > to cover up the reality of what it is. The main gist is that it's an > > abomination to any sane person. > > And the ritviks's spam stuff has been proved to be worse than dead animal > parts because it is infested with almost every kind of aparadha you can > think of. It is not a mindless act to avoid that stuff, rather it the most > intelligent thing to do. The definition of e mail spam is dependent on form(mass unsolicited mailing) and has nothing to do with context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 Madhusudana (das) GKG (New York, NY - USA) is a member of the conferences where he has posted his text. Therefore, his texts are not spam, and you should please exclude me from your further communication. That doesn't mean I have any sympathy for that newsletter, it simply means there is no reason for any action from my side. Regarding what a conference is, it is stated in the Agreement as such: > The mail in the conferences are considered a collection of mail posted by > the organizer, therefore the organizer should moderate the conference in > such a way that the contents of the mail in the conference matches the > standards pointed out in the section entitled "Services". So, if a conference is systematically being abused for things that go straight against my purpose of running this system, I may interfere. But quite something will need to have happened before I consider something getting out of hand. I don't want to spend my days playing policeman. Your servant, Raktambara das The Bhaktivedanta E-mail Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 Thank you Jiva Goswami das for this most enlivening comment!!! > Many of us are wasting our lives watching TV, eating un-offerable foods, >drinking tea, coffee and near-beer, and/or living-working with little >vaisnava >association and seva. Our work-life degrades our consciousness and our >faith. >We think that our mundane education and certifications are the true emblems >of >our success. Are you speaking about yourself? I don't understand about whom you are exactly again speaking. For your information, I have been faithfully following Srila Prabhupada's instructions to me, during these past 23 years (including chanting 16 rounds, following the morning program and the 4 principles, trying sincerely to avoid nama-aparadha, taking siksa gurus and serving Iskcon under the GBC Body in a most dedicated way). Where does this have led me? Simply outside near my parents'house. Why? Because my husband took drugs, stole some money from the Temple and had illicit sex with a woman outside Iskcon. He has just got married again with the blessing of HH. PGS., and nobody could protect me decently in Iskcon. According to srila Prabhupada's purport to 7 canto, chapter 11 verse 28, we can read to the effect of: "a chaste wife should not stay in the company of a fallen husband... It is advise to a chaste wife not to serve such a fallen husband; a woman is not destined to be the slave of a lower man than a naradhama...She should never get married again but simply live far away from him." (From a French translation). I have strictly followed Srila Prabhupada's instructions against some leaders, and against some Iskcon gurus' advice that I should get married again. "What more do you want?" as Saunaka Rishi would say. Is that not sufficient to consider a devotee chaste and to humbly listen to what they have to say in a most respectful way. Do we have to scream in order for some leaders to humbly acknowledge our pain and our Krsna-conscious endeavors and help us genuinely come closer to Nityananda's or Radha's lotus feet. I am sorry if you do not like to hear the truth but that is another fact. It might be painful for you to hear me speak out sometimes; I agree. Truth is often painful but it should be spoken outloud nevertheless. It is now my duty to correct things as Srila Prabhupada asked us to do in his letter 72-11: ..."I am very much sad to learn that you have left the company of the devotees over this incident...Now if you have got the right idea how to do it, you may go again there and take some responsible post for correcting the situation, that will be your real duty...Standard should be that, never mind there is some difficulty, my spiritual master has ordered me to do like this, now let me do it, that's all." That I am doing now, giving lecture in New-Mayapura and serving there regularly. After having listened to Dhira-Govinda Prabhu's wonderful seminar, in Radhadesh, July 2000, on Responsibility in Iskcon, I am convinced that I am doing what I am supposed to do. Even though you do not like it. I am doing my duty, mind you. I do not have any television at home but a Deity of Srila Prabhupada that I worship every day. Nor am I doing any of the things you mentioned above. I have got permission from a bona-fide Iskcon guru to resume my studies. He said that I should always remember that I am on a mission preparing to become a qualified teacher for Iskcon schools, in the future. >We rail against killing of cows, sex with children, censorship and the >misappropriation of funds, while our devotional gardens go un-fenced, >un-weeded, un-cultivated with large elephants having their way. Are you again speaking for yourself. Telling the truth is not always an offense contrary to what you may think. Sorry again for any offense committed knowingly or unknowingly. I do not see though, any true or honest evaluation of the members participating in our conferences, nor any positive and constructive proposition in your text. That is another objective fact. Sorry if my previous comments have offended you, that was not my intention. Srila prabhupada's letter 9.8.76 mentioned: "Devotees always humbly offer respect to everyone, but when there is a discussion on a point of sastra, they speak only the satyam, although it may not necessarily be priyam", As Maha-mantra das, Ajamila Prabhu, Bhakti-vikash Swami and a few others are expert at doing. I humbly offer them my humble obeisances. I am just anxious for a deeper change than just sending cynical or dishonest statements and when it is time to vote you abstain. Is that fair? Are you really sincere? Please allow me to seriously doubt it. I sincerely can't stand people getting in the way, resisting assessment, testimonies, and the genuine reform our Iskcon leadership badly needs. You have the right not to agree, but I have the right to share my observations according to my guru-maharaj's instructions. Please forgive my offenses at your lotus feet and show a little compassion to the poor and unfortunate souls that we are. That will be most welcome. Your servant in Prabhupada's mission, KKdd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 > > > Forwarding a copy of one newsletter to one conference is not a spam. > > > > Hang on, if the newsletter in question is totally IRRELEVANT to the > > conferences to which it was sent, and a conference is made up of > > individuals seeking to discuss in a dignified manner ONLY a specific > > topic like varnashrama, India news, or whatever then how is that an > > offensive ritvik newsletter sent to a conference that offends most of > > the individuals therein is not in the same category? It amounts to the > > same thing: The individuals in the conference become subjected to stuff > > they never d to in the first place. > > > > Spam has a very specific definition. Something may be rude or > inconsiderate or > out of the flow of discussion, but that doesn't make it spam. Spam by > definition is a certain thing. True, it may not be axactly a spamm, but whatever it may be called it is without a doubt a rude invasion to hurtle UNRELATED and OFFENSIVE stuff into conferences where the members have specifically gathered to discuss something completely different. ys ada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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