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> So, what you are saying is when Krsna told Sri Arjuna, "sarva-dharman

> parityajya...etc.", Sri Arjuna should have stopped doing his

> varnasrama-dharma duty of a ksatriya and gone to the woods like he wanted

> to in the first place?

 

he indeed gave up all dharmas and followed what Lord Krishna said!!! in

other words, fully surrendered.

 

> Sarva dharman, etc., means give up material consciousness and surrender to

> My perfect daiva varnasrama-dharma system,

 

Just to clarify--- are you suggesting that there is a difference between

varnasrama dharma and daiva varnasrama dharma? if not than I end here but if

yes then I should add that Srila Prabhupada does't say like that. Hare

Krishna.

 

ys, bb

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Dear Madusudani Mataji,

 

I am sorry. I think what I wrote below is not correct. At that time I

think I was having some false ego. I sincerely apologise and withdraw the

following statement from my previous test. Please forgive me.

 

Being my senior godsister, you must always correct me.

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Das.

 

> In future I request you to answer my texts based on Guru, Sadhu and

Sastra,

> or atleast based on some good logical objective reasoning. I don't have

> time if you want to discuss based on your sentiments and perceptions.

This

> may sound harsh, but I have to say it out. Please forgive me.

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Your humble servant,

> Bhadra Govinda Das.

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> Yes. Krishna Consciousness principles are very simple. It is not

> complicated like the other Dharmas, such as Varnasrama Dharma. In India

> when we go and preach to all those caste Brahmanas, ksatriyas, Vaisyas and

> Sudras, they think how can attaining love of God can be so simple. It

> cannot be. So they go on with their superficial varnasrama dharma

> principles. Srila Prabhupada finally had to go to USA, to convince these

> simple principles, as the Indian Varnasrama society totally rejected him.

 

Apparently, you are not really talking here about varnasrama dharma

that is being described in Srila Prabhupada's books and that he asked

his followers to *implement* in the world. "All those caste Brahmanas,

ksatriyas,...." means not daiva varnasrama dharma but asuric varnasrama

dharma. Let's not confuse something that has been rejected by our Acaryas

with something that has been recommended by them.

 

 

In any case, wether you are considering yourself to be transcendental

to "superficial varnasrama dharma principles", as I could understand

you are a family man, got a wife and children. So you got to follow

the prescribed duties for a grihasta anyway. And wether you consider

yourself above the designation of any of the four varnas, you still got

to earn your money in order to support your family by some mean. So in

order to achieve that, you got to fit in some system. I guess some kind

of a "karmi" system. Like everybody else, in this or that extent.

 

 

 

- mnd

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