ISKCON HAS BEEN FORMED FOR THIS PURPOSE

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> Dear Janeswara Prabhu,

>

> PAMHO. AGTSP. AGTYG.

>

> You have given me some quotes of Srila Prabhupada for my response on

> Sarvadharman.... I have all those quotes on Varnasrama. However I did

> not get what you were trying to say, by giving those quotations against my

> text. However when I reconcile the following words of Srila Prabhupada

> with the different quotes on Varnasrama in the introduction of Srimad

> Bhagavatam, I understand why ISKCON has been formed. It is for

> establishing Bhagavata Dharma, and by doing so Daivi Varnasrama will be

> automatically established. Please correct me if I am wrong.

>

> The Lord

> therefore rejected this proposition and asked Ramananda Raya to go

> further...

 

I have purposely not included the rest of your text because it is the same

old quoting that ISKCON has done for decades of chaos. The Lord

Caitanya/Ramananda Raya discussion was not ever meant, in any way, to

minimize the importance of varnasrama-dharma for devotees and all human

beings. If you read the entire portion of CC where Lord Caitanya discusses

this very important issue (this is really another discussion with Krsna and

Arjuna and obviously Krsna is not going to throw away everything He told to

His friend 5000 years previously) you will find that Caitanya Mahaprabhu was

trying to destroy the bogus philosophy of karma-mimamsa.

 

I really do not think Srila Prabhupada would have made it 100% of our

mission (Prabhupada completed 50% of his mission leaving 50% uncompleted,

varnasrama, thus making its implentation 100% of our mission) if it was

against the teachings of Lord Caitanya.

 

Also, this most important discussion with Srila Prabhupada the year of his

disappearance has never been widely published to the ISKCON community at

large:

 

"Satsvarupa: Lord Caitanya, when Ramananda Raya brought this up He said it

was not possible in this age to introduce this.

Prabhupada: Yes. He said it was not possible. Iha bahya. Caitanya

Mahaprabhu was interested only on the spiritual platform. He had no idea of

material side. He rejected material side.

Satsvarupa: But don't we do that also?

Prabhupada: No. Our position is different. We are trying to implement Krsna

consciousness in everything. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally took

sannyasa. He rejected completely material. Niskincana. But we are not going

to be niskincana. We are trying to cement the troubled position of the...

That is also in the prescription of Bhagavad-gita. We are not rejecting the

whole society. Caitanya Mahaprabhu rejected everything, iha bahya. Rejected

meaning, "I do not take much interest in this." Bahya. "It is external." He

was simply interested in the internal, the spiritual. But our duty is that

we shall arrange the external affairs also so nicely that one day they will

come to the spiritual platform very easily, paving the way. And Caitanya

Mahaprabhu, personality like that, they have nothing to do with this

material world. But we are preaching. We are preaching. Therefore we must

pave the situation in such a way that gradually they will be promoted to the

spiritual plane.

 

Prabhupada: Chanting will go on. That is not stopped. But at the same time

the varnasrama-dharma must be established to make the way easy.

Hari-sauri: Well, at least my own understanding was that the chanting was

introduced in the age of Kali because varnasrama is not possible.

Prabhupada: Because it will cleanse the mind. Chanting will not stop.

Hari-sauri: So therefore the chanting was introduced to replace all of the

systems of varnasrama and like that.

Prabhupada: Yes, it can replace, but who is going to replace it? The...

People are not so advanced. If you imitate Haridasa Thakura to chant, it is

not possible.

Satsvarupa: We tell them go on with your job but chant also.

Prabhupada: Yes. Thakaha apanara kaje, Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Apanara kaja

ki. Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommended, sthane sthitah. And if they do not

remain in the sthana, then the sahajiya's chanting will come. Just like the

sahajiyas also have got the beads and..., but they have got three dozen

women. This kind of chanting will go on. Just like our (name withheld). He

was not fit for sannyasa but he was given sannyasa. And five women he was

attached, and he disclosed. Therefore varnasrama-dharma is required. Simply

show-bottle will not do. So the varnasrama-dharma should be introduced all

over the world, and...

Satsvarupa: Introduced starting with ISKCON community?

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Brahmana, ksatriyas. There must be regular education.