Encouraging celibacy - interesting comment on the subject...

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> Your claim that Bhakti-tirtha Maharaja's statements are cheating is

> untrue. The third-gender (trtiya-prakrti) - including gays, lesbians,

> hijras (transgenders), etc. - was evident and Vedic times, and was at

> times considered auspicious. Ask anyone about the traditional roles of

> hijras before their modern-day ostracisation from society, and they will

> tell you as much. Indeed your Guru Maharaja, Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta

> Swami Prabhupada states as much in the following quote.

 

I fail to see where Srila Prabhupada's quote would come anywhere close to

supporting your statements. Furthermore, I think you could confine your

promotion of homosexuality -- and the subtle "demands" for it's acceptance

in Vaisnava circles -- to your website, GALVA. I don't see what it has to do

with any of the conferences you've included in the list above.

 

I believe HH Bir Krishna Goswami has a point, that you shouldn't speculate

in Sanskrit. I can't imagine that someone of your tender years would have

much of a grip of such an intricate language.

 

PS: You can post this all around the net and on all your associated websites

(Topical Discussions, GALVA, Chakra), and claim that I'm anti-gay or

whatever else you might say, but until you ask me what my views are and know

me personally, you're not qualified to jump to that conclusion, ok? Just

wanted to make that clear so there's no confusion ....

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> I do not believe I am speculating in Sanskrit. Though it might surprise

> you to know that I've been studying it since I was 14.

 

And it might surprise you to know that someone like HG Gopiparanadhana pr

has been studying it for over 30 years, yet I doubt he'd consider himself

"expert" enough to throw it around a forum where it's not spoken. And since

14? Well, that's still only around ten years, isn't it? Most people on this

forum have been reading and studying Sanskrit, to one degree or another, for

longer than you've been out of short pants, so I wouldn't use that as much

of a "reference" point.

>

> However, realistically, here I am talking about how we treat a

> (physical) type of people. Bhakti-tirtha Swami has been campaigning for

> homosexuals to be treated as well as, say, non-celibate heterosexuals -

> not worse. I do not see why he's getting such flack for promoting an

> act of kindness.

 

Well, could it be because people aren't really interested in "causes"? I

mean, why should such people be shown any more (or less) "kindness" than

anyone else? I'm a heterosexual female -- where are all the sannyasis

promoting my cause! I fail to understand why so much consideration and

dispensation is given to someone simply because they're gay, cripple, blind

in one eye, black, white, female, male -- it's all simply a material

contamination, and there's only one cure for all of it. Separating one

section of this motley crew and campaigning for them is, at best, a waste of

time.

 

Preaching is preaching. There is no equality in the material realm, and it

is only by seeing everyone and everything in relationship to Krishna that we

can actually assist them. Separating one group of people from another

doesn't seem like a very enlightened way to behave.

 

Your servant

Braja Sevaki dd

 

PS: Actually there were a couple of sannyasis who were "out there" for me as

a heterosexual female -- Srila Prabhupada and my eternal spiritual master,

HH Tamal Krishna Goswami. They didn't care who or what I was: they gave me

Krishna consciousness. THAT is what I call "equal rights."