URGENT! (Controversial) Food For Life or Death ? (Gauranga!).

[Guest guest]

Interestingly for householders Srila Bhaktisiddhanta has said the following;

an excerpt from " A Ray of Visnu" by Rupa Vilasa Dasa

 

QUOTE

During this tour when Srila Sarasvati Thakura and his followers were

returning from a darsana of Saksi-Gopal, he noticed that his householder

followers refused to give alms to some poor people who were requesting help.

He then sarcastically described their attitude as, "Money should not be given

to the poor, distressed people ... if it is given it will be karma-kanda".

 

[ Srila Saraswati Thakura was satirizing the attitude of his disciples who

were thinking that it was beneath them, as transcendental Vaisnavas, to give

charity to the poor, as though this were a continuing activity within the

realm of karmic activity.]

 

He stated that, "This type of consideration by householders expresses

miserliness, mercilessness, and lack of affliction at others distress. From

this attitude the heart becomes hard and money even for Visnu's service,

which is the means of one's own interest, disappears. Therefore, offense in

service (seva-aparadha) is invited. In order to guard against all these

hypocritical, sinful deliberations, Sri Gaurasundara in His pastimes used to

give help to lowly, distressed people. Even earned wealth is obtained by the

mercy of God. It is not incorrect use of wealth if some portion of mercy is

given to the requesting poor - it is it proper use! To distribute mercy

(prasada) is the compulsory duty of householder Vaisnavas. Even though their

(poor people's) miserableness has been obtained through the fault of their

own karma .... they are still God's people. Therefore, to give them help is

the compulsory duty of well-to-do people".

 

p57

[Guest guest]

It should be ascertained where this originally came from. This book is a

compilation by a ex ISKCON member who became a ritvik. I have heard that

somethings are not authoritative in that book. However this may be true and

it could be ascertained where it was taken from and retranslated to double

check as it was probably in Bengali.

 

However it sounds reasonable. Only Srila Prabhupada demonstrated that by

giving prasadam to people it benefits them in both ways. I think ISKCON

devotees are famous for giving out prasadam to everyone.

 

Srila Prabhupada's statement that we are not only concerned about poor

people doesn't mean that we are not concerned about poor people. It means we

also feed even well-to-do people prasadam as they may be spiritually

bankrupt even if they are materially rich.

 

> Interestingly for householders Srila Bhaktisiddhanta has said the

> following; an excerpt from " A Ray of Visnu" by Rupa Vilasa Dasa

>

> QUOTE

> During this tour when Srila Sarasvati Thakura and his followers were

> returning from a darsana of Saksi-Gopal, he noticed that his householder

> followers refused to give alms to some poor people who were requesting

> help. He then sarcastically described their attitude as, "Money should not

> be given to the poor, distressed people ... if it is given it will be

> karma-kanda".

>

> [ Srila Saraswati Thakura was satirizing the attitude of his disciples who

> were thinking that it was beneath them, as transcendental Vaisnavas, to

> give charity to the poor, as though this were a continuing activity within

> the realm of karmic activity.]

>

> He stated that, "This type of consideration by householders expresses

> miserliness, mercilessness, and lack of affliction at others distress.

> From this attitude the heart becomes hard and money even for Visnu's

> service, which is the means of one's own interest, disappears. Therefore,

> offense in service (seva-aparadha) is invited. In order to guard against

> all these hypocritical, sinful deliberations, Sri Gaurasundara in His

> pastimes used to give help to lowly, distressed people. Even earned wealth

> is obtained by the mercy of God. It is not incorrect use of wealth if some

> portion of mercy is given to the requesting poor - it is it proper use! To

> distribute mercy (prasada) is the compulsory duty of householder

> Vaisnavas. Even though their (poor people's) miserableness has been

> obtained through the fault of their own karma .... they are still God's

> people. Therefore, to give them help is the compulsory duty of well-to-do

> people".

>

> p57

[Guest guest]

we said Maharaja

 

our great leaders are men of common sense and practical aptitude

 

we are not to enable bad habits such as laziness, the idea is that all

should come and learn something about Krsna and then receive prasada,this is

an active movement and we are allowed to become Krsnas' stepping stone.

 

Bijaya Kumara das

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Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:41 AM

Re: URGENT! (Controversial) Food For Life or Death ? (Gauranga!).

 

 

> It should be ascertained where this originally came from. This book is a

> compilation by a ex ISKCON member who became a ritvik. I have heard that

> somethings are not authoritative in that book. However this may be true

and

> it could be ascertained where it was taken from and retranslated to double

> check as it was probably in Bengali.

>

> However it sounds reasonable. Only Srila Prabhupada demonstrated that by

> giving prasadam to people it benefits them in both ways. I think ISKCON

> devotees are famous for giving out prasadam to everyone.

>

> Srila Prabhupada's statement that we are not only concerned about poor

> people doesn't mean that we are not concerned about poor people. It means

we

> also feed even well-to-do people prasadam as they may be spiritually

> bankrupt even if they are materially rich.

>

> > Interestingly for householders Srila Bhaktisiddhanta has said the

> > following; an excerpt from " A Ray of Visnu" by Rupa Vilasa Dasa

> >

> > QUOTE

> > During this tour when Srila Sarasvati Thakura and his followers were

> > returning from a darsana of Saksi-Gopal, he noticed that his householder

> > followers refused to give alms to some poor people who were requesting

> > help. He then sarcastically described their attitude as, "Money should

not

> > be given to the poor, distressed people ... if it is given it will be

> > karma-kanda".

> >

> > [ Srila Saraswati Thakura was satirizing the attitude of his disciples

who

> > were thinking that it was beneath them, as transcendental Vaisnavas, to

> > give charity to the poor, as though this were a continuing activity

within

> > the realm of karmic activity.]

> >

> > He stated that, "This type of consideration by householders expresses

> > miserliness, mercilessness, and lack of affliction at others distress.

> > From this attitude the heart becomes hard and money even for Visnu's

> > service, which is the means of one's own interest, disappears.

Therefore,

> > offense in service (seva-aparadha) is invited. In order to guard against

> > all these hypocritical, sinful deliberations, Sri Gaurasundara in His

> > pastimes used to give help to lowly, distressed people. Even earned

wealth

> > is obtained by the mercy of God. It is not incorrect use of wealth if

some

> > portion of mercy is given to the requesting poor - it is it proper use!

To

> > distribute mercy (prasada) is the compulsory duty of householder

> > Vaisnavas. Even though their (poor people's) miserableness has been

> > obtained through the fault of their own karma .... they are still God's

> > people. Therefore, to give them help is the compulsory duty of

well-to-do

> > people".

> >

> > p57

[Guest guest]

that should have been

 

well said Maharaja not we said

 

sorry for the type o

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Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:48 AM

Re: URGENT! (Controversial) Food For Life or Death ? (Gauranga!).

 

 

> we said Maharaja

>

> our great leaders are men of common sense and practical aptitude

>

> we are not to enable bad habits such as laziness, the idea is that all

> should come and learn something about Krsna and then receive prasada,this

is

> an active movement and we are allowed to become Krsnas' stepping stone.

>

> Bijaya Kumara das

> -

> "Jayapataka Swami (GBC)" <Jayapataka.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> "Mahavishnu Swami (ACBSP) (Bangladesh / Nepal)"

> <Mahavishnu.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "Madhu Pandit (das) JPS (Bangalore - IN)"

> <Madhu.Pandit.JPS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "Swarup Damodar (das) GRS"

> <Swarup.Damodar.GRS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; <harrish (AT) teledata (DOT) mz>;

> <iskcon (AT) wlink (DOT) com.np>; <iskconpatna .in>;

<iskconpt (AT) global (DOT) co.za>;

> <jagatguru59 >; <janak108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <karana (AT) ntc (DOT) net.np>;

> <krishnakripaa (AT) (DOT) co.in>; <iskconjh (AT) iafrica (DOT) com>;

<Shamman (AT) Satweb (DOT) co.za>;

> <krsna (AT) africaonline (DOT) co.ug>; <nik.ffl (AT) katamail (DOT) com>;

> <prabhupadalila >; <shastra316 >; <srivasdas >;

> <radha (AT) iconnect (DOT) co.ke>; <varaha108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <Vrinda (AT) aol (DOT) com>;

> <vrindauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk>; <pariksit (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <elmermukasa >;

> <girifest (AT) lineone (DOT) net>; "UK National Council"

> <UK.National.Council (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> Cc: "Bhakti Vikasa Swami" <Bhakti.Vikasa.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "Jayadvaita

> Swami" <Jayadvaita.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; <btswami (AT) attglobal (DOT) net>; "GBC

> Unmoderated" <GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "India (Continental Committee)

> Open (Forum)" <India.Open (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "Prabhupada Disciples"

> <Prabhupada.Disciples (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:41 AM

> Re: URGENT! (Controversial) Food For Life or Death ? (Gauranga!).

>

>

> > It should be ascertained where this originally came from. This book is

a

> > compilation by a ex ISKCON member who became a ritvik. I have heard

that

> > somethings are not authoritative in that book. However this may be true

> and

> > it could be ascertained where it was taken from and retranslated to

double

> > check as it was probably in Bengali.

> >

> > However it sounds reasonable. Only Srila Prabhupada demonstrated that

by

> > giving prasadam to people it benefits them in both ways. I think ISKCON

> > devotees are famous for giving out prasadam to everyone.

> >

> > Srila Prabhupada's statement that we are not only concerned about poor

> > people doesn't mean that we are not concerned about poor people. It

means

> we

> > also feed even well-to-do people prasadam as they may be spiritually

> > bankrupt even if they are materially rich.

> >

> > > Interestingly for householders Srila Bhaktisiddhanta has said the

> > > following; an excerpt from " A Ray of Visnu" by Rupa Vilasa Dasa

> > >

> > > QUOTE

> > > During this tour when Srila Sarasvati Thakura and his followers were

> > > returning from a darsana of Saksi-Gopal, he noticed that his

householder

> > > followers refused to give alms to some poor people who were requesting

> > > help. He then sarcastically described their attitude as, "Money should

> not

> > > be given to the poor, distressed people ... if it is given it will be

> > > karma-kanda".

> > >

> > > [ Srila Saraswati Thakura was satirizing the attitude of his disciples

> who

> > > were thinking that it was beneath them, as transcendental Vaisnavas,

to

> > > give charity to the poor, as though this were a continuing activity

> within

> > > the realm of karmic activity.]

> > >

> > > He stated that, "This type of consideration by householders expresses

> > > miserliness, mercilessness, and lack of affliction at others distress.

> > > From this attitude the heart becomes hard and money even for Visnu's

> > > service, which is the means of one's own interest, disappears.

> Therefore,

> > > offense in service (seva-aparadha) is invited. In order to guard

against

> > > all these hypocritical, sinful deliberations, Sri Gaurasundara in His

> > > pastimes used to give help to lowly, distressed people. Even earned

> wealth

> > > is obtained by the mercy of God. It is not incorrect use of wealth if

> some

> > > portion of mercy is given to the requesting poor - it is it proper

use!

> To

> > > distribute mercy (prasada) is the compulsory duty of householder

> > > Vaisnavas. Even though their (poor people's) miserableness has been

> > > obtained through the fault of their own karma .... they are still

God's

> > > people. Therefore, to give them help is the compulsory duty of

> well-to-do

> > > people".

> > >

> > > p57

>