Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 > Another approach is to organize a letter-writing campaign, with each > letter > accompanied by the official decision, and also perhaps by some of the more > implicating evidence in the file. If the supporters of the orphanage in > England and India receive 200 letters, then they may take action to close > the > orphanage and perhaps also to conduct their own investigation. THAT sounds like the easier and better way to go to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 The press guys in the UK are Bimal Krishna dasa and Varsana dasi. Email: bimal.krsna.bcs (AT) pamho (DOT) net, Varsana.srs (AT) pamho (DOT) net They have not been included in this discussion so they would need to be brought up to date with the discussion. I'm not in the UK right now (presently in Canada, but will be back in the UK on March 2), nor am I the temple president of Bhaktivedanta Manor anymore, but I am sure they would like to help. Gauri is the temple president now, and he was in the Vrindavan Gurukula as teacher and manager. Your servant, Vipramukhya Swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 > At 01:25 AM 2/15/02 -1000, Dhira Govinda (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA) > wrote: > > >CONFIDENTIAL: ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND WORK PRODUCT > > I've sometimes wondered why this warning appears on emails sent to public > forums. > Hardly attorney/client privilege when plastered over a public forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 > >He was by far the best > >asrama teacher of most any other teacher we had because there was > >nothing he loved doing more then taking care of them as only a lover can > >do. Just to clarify; Ananta Rupa can hardly be classified as a lover. If he is having sex with those boys, he is a child molester . Consensual sex between two adult males is not the same as sex between an adult authority figure and a child. It's abuse, even if the child does not fight it. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 At 06:25 AM 2/15/02 -0500, Dgovinda (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: >The APVC has investigated the cases of Manihar and Ananta Rupa and has >adjudicated and issued official decisions on their cases. Thank you so much for informing us! I'm glad your office both investigated and reported them. I would very much like a copy of the reports. Did you receive any response from the authorities in England and/or India? Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 At 10:52 AM 2/14/02 -1000, Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > > At 12:22 AM 2/13/02 -1000, Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > > >I was told that one of perpetrators of the gurukula molestation is now > > >running children orphanage home in South India. Was told his name is > > >Manohara or Manonatha dasa. Is ISKCON doing anything about it? > > > > His name is Manihara. This is veryold news; what would you expect ISKCON > > to do? > > > > Babhru das > >ISKCON can build a case against him, and have him at least deported from >India. I know few ex-gurukulis who have first hand experience with this guy. >Because ISKCON will not do anything against this perpetrators, that's why >it'll keep facing various lawsuits. Maybe next law suit will be in India. If you know someone with power within ISKCON in India, please convince them to do so. Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 At 01:25 AM 2/15/02 -1000, Dhira Govinda (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA) wrote: >CONFIDENTIAL: ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND WORK PRODUCT I've sometimes wondered why this warning appears on emails sent to public forums. >So, we did inform authorities about the situation, >and expressed great concern that Manihar and Ananta Rupa are working very >closely with children. There is more to be done in this regard, in terms of >followup and further investigation, but the APVC has done what it could do >till now with the resources it has. I am very worried about the children >under the care of Manihar and Ananta Rupa. And we all are, with good reason. It appears, then that ISKCON has done pretty much what it can. They have reported the abuse to authorities, and it's up to those authorities to investigate and prosecute. As Urmila might say--(sigh) Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 > At 10:52 AM 2/14/02 -1000, Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > > > At 12:22 AM 2/13/02 -1000, Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > > > >I was told that one of perpetrators of the gurukula molestation is > > > >now running children orphanage home in South India. Was told his name > > > >is Manohara or Manonatha dasa. Is ISKCON doing anything about it? > > > > > > His name is Manihara. This is veryold news; what would you expect > > > ISKCON to do? > > > > > > Babhru das > > > >ISKCON can build a case against him, and have him at least deported from > >India. I know few ex-gurukulis who have first hand experience with this > >guy. Because ISKCON will not do anything against this perpetrators, > >that's why it'll keep facing various lawsuits. Maybe next law suit will > >be in India. > > If you know someone with power within ISKCON in India, please convince > them to do so. > > Babhru das Mahamantra dasa, co-president of Delhi temple should be apprised of this. He is a big guy in Delhi, and knows all the politicians of Delhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 On 15 Feb 2002, Babhru das wrote: > > And we all are, with good reason. It appears, then that ISKCON has done > pretty much what it can. They have reported the abuse to authorities, and > it's up to those authorities to investigate and prosecute. > > As Urmila might say--(sigh) Yes, this is particularly frustrating because the issue was raised in 1988--that is fourteen years ago--in an international gurukula headmasters' meeting. At that time the GBC for the area of India where the orphanage is located intentionally decided *not* to inform anyone... Can we take this to the press? Is there any devotee presently in that area of India (and England) who might be willing to *personally* approach the people involved? This issue has bothered me since 88 and I have spoken to the relevant ISKCON authorities about it... Maybe DDS can be given this as his personal mission--to work with the people involved until those *unmentionable word* people are routed out. It would be good practical penance for him and a real message to our children and the world. Your servant, Urmila devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 In a message dated 2/15/02 8:01:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, mariaekstrand (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: << Did you receive any response from the authorities in England and/or India? >> No. Dhira Govinda dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 At 06:08 PM 2/14/02 -1000, you wrote: > > Another approach is to organize a letter-writing campaign, with each > > letter > > accompanied by the official decision, and also perhaps by some of the >more > > implicating evidence in the file. If the supporters of the orphanage >in > > England and India receive 200 letters, then they may take action to >close > > the > > orphanage and perhaps also to conduct their own investigation. > >THAT sounds like the easier and better way to go to me. Ditto. It appears that ISKCON as an institution has done what it can, with no perceivable result. Teh next step is to let them know what a disaster this could be, at least in terms of public relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Great idea. Thank you India.Open (AT) pamho (DOT) net [india.Open (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) Friday, February 15, 2002 9:34 AM GBC Unmoderated; India (Continental Committee) Open (Forum); (Temple) Presidents; Tattvavit (das) ACBSP (NE-BBT); groveey (AT) starband (DOT) net Cc: Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America) Re: ISKCON in the Chicago Tribune... > At 10:52 AM 2/14/02 -1000, Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > > > At 12:22 AM 2/13/02 -1000, Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) wrote: > > > >I was told that one of perpetrators of the gurukula molestation is > > > >now running children orphanage home in South India. Was told his name > > > >is Manohara or Manonatha dasa. Is ISKCON doing anything about it? > > > > > > His name is Manihara. This is veryold news; what would you expect > > > ISKCON to do? > > > > > > Babhru das > > > >ISKCON can build a case against him, and have him at least deported from > >India. I know few ex-gurukulis who have first hand experience with this > >guy. Because ISKCON will not do anything against this perpetrators, > >that's why it'll keep facing various lawsuits. Maybe next law suit will > >be in India. > > If you know someone with power within ISKCON in India, please convince > them to do so. > > Babhru das Mahamantra dasa, co-president of Delhi temple should be apprised of this. He is a big guy in Delhi, and knows all the politicians of Delhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Bravo, Bravo. GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Vipramukhya Swami Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:42 PM GBC Unmoderated; India (Continental Committee) Open (Forum); (Temple) Presidents; Tattvavit (das) ACBSP (NE-BBT) RE: ISKCON in the Chicago Tribune... The press guys in the UK are Bimal Krishna dasa and Varsana dasi. Email: bimal.krsna.bcs (AT) pamho (DOT) net, Varsana.srs (AT) pamho (DOT) net They have not been included in this discussion so they would need to be brought up to date with the discussion. I'm not in the UK right now (presently in Canada, but will be back in the UK on March 2), nor am I the temple president of Bhaktivedanta Manor anymore, but I am sure they would like to help. Gauri is the temple president now, and he was in the Vrindavan Gurukula as teacher and manager. Your servant, Vipramukhya Swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Thank you Urmala GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Urmila (dd) ACBSP (ISKCON School NC - USA) Friday, February 15, 2002 9:39 AM GBC Unmoderated; India (Continental Committee) Open (Forum); (Temple) Presidents; Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America); Tattvavit (das) ACBSP (NE-BBT); Anumanta (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA); Dhira Govinda (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA); groveey (AT) starband (DOT) net; Raghu (AT) roopa (DOT) org; mariaekstrand (AT) earthlink (DOT) net; Malinidd (AT) aol (DOT) com Re: ISKCON in the Chicago Tribune... On 15 Feb 2002, Babhru das wrote: > > And we all are, with good reason. It appears, then that ISKCON has done > pretty much what it can. They have reported the abuse to authorities, and > it's up to those authorities to investigate and prosecute. > > As Urmila might say--(sigh) Yes, this is particularly frustrating because the issue was raised in 1988--that is fourteen years ago--in an international gurukula headmasters' meeting. At that time the GBC for the area of India where the orphanage is located intentionally decided *not* to inform anyone... Can we take this to the press? Is there any devotee presently in that area of India (and England) who might be willing to *personally* approach the people involved? This issue has bothered me since 88 and I have spoken to the relevant ISKCON authorities about it... Maybe DDS can be given this as his personal mission--to work with the people involved until those *unmentionable word* people are routed out. It would be good practical penance for him and a real message to our children and the world. Your servant, Urmila devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Any chance your office can do this. GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Dhira Govinda (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA) Friday, February 15, 2002 9:44 AM Vipramukhya Swami; Tattvavit (das) ACBSP (NE-BBT); Dhira Govinda (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA); mariaekstrand (AT) earthlink (DOT) net; groveey (AT) starband (DOT) net; Raghu (AT) roopa (DOT) org; GBC Unmoderated; India (Continental Committee) Open (Forum); (Temple) Presidents Cc: Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America); Anumanta (das) DG (Alachua, FL - USA); Malinidd (AT) aol (DOT) com Re: ISKCON in the Chicago Tribune... Confidential In a message dated 2/15/02 6:40:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, Vipramukhya.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: << Can anything be done about informing the people he works for? >> I think it would be a matter of at least one competent person going to where the orphanage(s) is (are), and planting themselves in the community-then, perhaps, making acquaintance with boys who are in the orphanage, or youth who were in the orphanage. At some point these children and youth may feel comfortable to speak about recent alleged incidents. With such first-hand testimony the local police may (definitely not for sure) take some action. The ISKCON reports, such as the official decision and files from the APVC, can supplement the first-hand reports from the boys who are there currently. The evidence in the APVC file is strong, but on its own I don't think it will arouse the police into action, especially considering that they may have developed a relationship of some sort with the alleged abusers. Another approach is to organize a letter-writing campaign, with each letter accompanied by the official decision, and also perhaps by some of the more implicating evidence in the file. If the supporters of the orphanage in England and India receive 200 letters, then they may take action to close the orphanage and perhaps also to conduct their own investigation. Hare Krsna. Your servant, Dhira Govinda dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 I think that your letter writting camapaign idea has more potential for success and less potential for danger. This man is extremely influential on both continents and in all areas of government. Sending in a "spy" could have a disasterous result especially as it has been mentioned n the internet now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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