Violence Among Girls Increasing in U.S.

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> > "Gossip as a source of violence is understudied and little understood,"

> > Abramson said. "But time and again, when we bring the parties together,

> > get them to talk and dig into what started it all, it invariably comes

> > back to something somebody heard somebody else said."

> >

> > Phil Leaf, director of the Center for the Prevention of Youth Violence

> > at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, said society should not have

> > been caught by surprise by the surge in girl violence.

> >

> > "In retrospect, we can see girls falling prey to the same influences as

> > boys," Leaf said. "A decade or so ago, we were worried about the lack of

> > male role models in the home. Today, there is a dearth of effective

> > female role models as the mothers who used to be there are forced back

> > into the job market or get rendered ineffective through abuse of drugs

> > and alcohol."

> >

> > Leaf said the situation in Baltimore and other cities reminds him of the

> > William Golding novel "Lord of the Flies": "We're seeing the effects of

> > children growing up in a world without adults."

 

These are the direct effects of Feminism in the USA.

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On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic

Astrologer) (USA) wrote:

 

>>>

>>> Leaf said the situation in Baltimore and other cities reminds him of

>>> the

>>> William Golding novel "Lord of the Flies": "We're seeing the effects

>>> of

>>> children growing up in a world without adults."

>

> These are the direct effects of Feminism in the USA.

>

 

Aren't you over simplifying? How about this is a result of unwanted

progeny, lack of protection of both women and children, consciousness at

the time of conception, during pregnancy, and birth.... Both boys, and

girls are affected by this "Lord of the Flies" mentality.

Scientists are now establishing direct links between criminality and

birth circumstances, including consciousness. see

http://birthworks.org/primalhealth/databank.phtml?kw=juvenile+criminality

 

ys Yasomati dd

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> Aren't you over simplifying? How about this is a result of...

 

I read a very interesting book by an anthropologist named Eduard Goldsmith

wherein it was described that the majority of children in traditional

societies took on the profession of their parents, and as such were raised

and educated in the workplace and at home, where they had extensive and

ongoing relationships with people from all walks of life and all ages. Such

children were very mature and responsible. You can meet such children in the

shops and bazars of India.

 

Whereas in the west nowadays, where all children are forced to associate

only with their peers, locked away in schools, and where the parents are

absent due to the disintegration of the extended family, chidren not only

dont mature properly, but as is mentioned they become like animals.

 

This is showing society that the modern school system is one of the greatest

threats to national security! They are all so worried about national

security, and yet they are the greatest perpetrators in undermining it!

 

That is why we need varnasrama communities like anything!

 

As Srila Prabhupada chose to say when he was lying on his death bed,

varnasrama is so essential, that devotees *live* in sattva guna. The fabric

of varnasrama society provides ideal conditions of the ideal development of

each individual.

 

Your servant

Samba das

Madhuvan eco-village/Varnasrama college

Check the project out at www.madhuvan.org

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On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Samba (das) SDG wrote:

 

>> Aren't you over simplifying? How about this is a result of...

>

> I read a very interesting book by an anthropologist named Eduard

> Goldsmith

> wherein it was described that the majority of children in traditional

> societies took on the profession of their parents, and as such were

> raised

> and educated in the workplace and at home, where they had extensive and

> ongoing relationships with people from all walks of life and all ages.

 

Proper education is essential but what about the pregnancy and birth. My

focus is on the importance of the primal period, the time from

conception to about one year old. There are societies of warriors (in

Sparta , for example) wherein the babies, forcibly taken away from their

mother at birth were thrown on the ground. Those who survived were

ruthless warriors. A peaceful loving primal period is a positive

beginning for loving peaceful humans beings.

 

> Such

> children were very mature and responsible. You can meet such children

> in the

> shops and bazars of India.

 

You can meet children that have very good moral behavior all over the

world and indian families sometimes experience problems with their

children, in India or abroad. In BC Canada, where we live at the moment,

there is a higher instance of violent crime in the indo-canadian sector.

They do help their parents with their shops on week-end etc... they

externally appear to be respectful and family oriented.

Since the behavior of growing children is not always a direct reaction

to their up-bringing, there are other elements that one is forced to

consider. Karma, consciousness at the time of conception, growth and

birth are some important factors. Did you know that there are several

studies published in medical journals (8,that I know of), that establish

a direct link between the increased risk of drug addiction in teenagers

whose mothers used drugs in labor? This is a very real problem.

 

ys

Yasomati dd

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Thank you for the "Right on" comments, Samba Prabhu.

 

Now we have to somehow inspire people to take up the varnashram system, and

yet it seems... and here in India the flow is in the opposite direction -

that without the government backing the system, our aspirations in this

regard will remain only on that platform! )-:

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> Thank you for the "Right on" comments, Samba Prabhu.

>

> Now we have to somehow inspire people to take up the varnashram system,

> and yet it seems... and here in India the flow is in the opposite

> direction - that without the government backing the system, our

> aspirations in this regard will remain only on that platform! )-:

I have some observation that even amongs devotees the aplication of

varnashrama lacks as well the enthusiasm to apply it in personal live as

well as also faith that it is needed to apply it.

Your servant

Damana Krishna dasa

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Dear Mataji,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Bhakta-vigna-vinasa Nrsimhadeva Bhagavan ki jaya!

 

So nice to hear from you after so long, I hope all is well with you and your

family. Please pay my respects to your good husband Kala Prabhu and your son

Krsna Dasa Prabhu.

 

 

> On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 12:47 AM, Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic

> Astrologer) (USA) wrote:

>

> >>>

> >>> Leaf said the situation in Baltimore and other cities reminds him of

> >>> the

> >>> William Golding novel "Lord of the Flies": "We're seeing the effects

> >>> of children growing up in a world without adults."

> >

> > These are the direct effects of Feminism in the USA.

> >

>

> Aren't you over simplifying? How about this is a result of unwanted

> progeny, lack of protection of both women and children, consciousness at

> the time of conception, during pregnancy, and birth.... Both boys, and

> girls are affected by this "Lord of the Flies" mentality.

> Scientists are now establishing direct links between criminality and

> birth circumstances, including consciousness. see

> http://birthworks.org/primalhealth/databank.phtml?kw=juvenile+criminality

>

> ys Yasomati dd

_________

 

 

> Aren't you over simplifying?

 

It does sound simplistic doesn't it? But feminism has many aspects to it and

impacts society in many pernicious ways. To go into all the ways that

feminism negatively impacts modern society would be beyond the scope of an

email and could well fill a large tome. I will however, just briefly mention

some of the negative impacts feminism.

 

(Here is a tome "War Against the Family" that discusses the different forces

set on the destruction of the family:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0773726438/qid=1083971331/sr=1

-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8459808-0916115?v=glance&s=books )

 

You mention "consciousness at the time of conception." Is it that 50 or 100

years ago people in the USA were performing the garbhodhana samskara and

suddenly they have stopped 20-30 years ago yielding so much varnasankara?

No.

 

So what has changed? Well one notable event was the rise of feminism in the

60s to present. The radical ideology of feminism is against the natural

order (it is an ideology full of internal inconsistencies). They shame women

who want to be stay-at-home-moms and urge them to take up careers.

Motherhood is looked down upon, as is the maternal instinct. To balance

their careers with family mothers leave their children in daycare centers

often shortly after having given birth. This disrupts bonding during early

years, an important factor pointed out in the link you gave us.

 

In the work place it is estimated that 30-50% of women have affairs with

co-workers. These are often adulterous affairs adversely affecting families

leading to divorces. Children are often conceived as well. (Varna sankara?)

 

With no fault divorces in place in many western countries especially USA and

Canada women are the main initiators of divorce today often for frivolous

reasons. Because of feminism the laws are fully stacked in favor of the

women and against the father. The father if he is lucky will see his kids

every alternate weekend (a 14% dad), he will lose his home and 50% of his

income, and is basically screwed by the unbalanced legal system. Hence,

seeing many fellow men being severely mistreated by the feminist legal

system many men now do not want to marry and marriage rates in USA and

Canada have fallen precipitously, same for UK, and other G7 countries where

feminism is a dominant player.

 

The following site has many articles regarding the feminist divorce industry

and what it does to fathers. You will note that many of the articles are

written by women, thus clearly not all women favor feminism:

 

http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0003.htm

 

Interestingly since it is known that many wives have affairs at the work

place it is now a routine procedure that the husband insists on DNA testing

of children to establish paternity during divorce proceedings because in

20-30% of cases the children are not his. (Could this be varna sankara?)

 

> lack of protection of both women

 

It is impossible to protect women if they insist on independence. To protect

means to control and feminism abhors such "patriarchal" treatment.

 

More comments below:

 

>Violence Among Girls Increasing in U.S.

> By WILEY HALL Associated Press Writer

>

> BALTIMORE (AP) - Twelve-year-old Nicole Townes is out of a coma but still

> struggling to recover after being pummeled and stomped at a birthday party

> in a beating that was shocking not just because of its savagery, but

> because it was meted out by other girls.

>

> Authorities say it is symptomatic of a disturbing trend around the

> country: Girls are turning to violence more often and with terrifying

> intensity.

>

 

<snip>

 

> Experts say the trend simply reflects society - girls are more violent

> because society in general is more violent and less civil. Some say that

> the same breakdowns in family, church, community and school that have long

> been blamed for violence among boys are finally catching up to girls.

>

 

<Snip>

 

So what is behind the breakdown of these institutions? Feminism.

 

>

> "In retrospect, we can see girls falling prey to the same influences as

> boys," Leaf said. "A decade or so ago, we were worried about the lack of

> male role models in the home. Today, there is a dearth of effective female

> role models as the mothers who used to be there are forced back into the

> job market or get rendered ineffective through abuse of drugs and

> alcohol."

>

> Leaf said the situation in Baltimore and other cities reminds him of the

> William Golding novel "Lord of the Flies": "We're seeing the effects of

> children growing up in a world without adults."

 

Why no male role models? Feminism and the divorce industry.

 

For more insight into how feminism is a destructive force to civilization we

quote from James Kurth's seminal essay "The Real Clash:"

 

(See: http://www.hknet.org.nz/seX-articles.html for whole essay, it is the

second article so scroll down)

 

"The greatest movement of the second half of the twentieth century has been

the movement of women from the home to the office. Out of that movement

there have already arisen political movements that are beginning to shape

the history of our own time. One is feminism, with its political demands

ranging from equal opportunity to academic deconstructionism to abortion

rights. Feminism has in turn produced a new form of conservatism. These new

conservatives speak of "family values;" their adversaries call them "the

religious right."

 

"The full consequences of this movement from the home to the office will

only culminate in the first half of the twenty-first century. They may not

take the form of revolutions, civil wars, and world wars, as did the earlier

movement of men from the farm to the factory. Feminists have constructed

elaborate theories about how women are far less violent than men. But there

are other factors at work.

 

[but considering that we are commenting on an article detailing the drastic

rise in female violence this will probably end up as yet another feminist

myth. For more females behaving badly see:

http://www.angryharry.com/pggentlergender.htm ]

 

"The movement from farm to factory in large measure brought about the

replacement of the extended family with the nuclear family. The movement

from home to office is carrying this process one step further. It separates

the parents from the children, as well as enabling the wife to separate

herself from the husband. By splitting the nuclear family, it is helping to

bring about the replacement of the nuclear family with the non-family

("non-traditional" family, as seen by feminists; no family at all, as seen

by conservatives). The splitting of the family's nucleus, like the splitting

of the atom's nucleus, will release an enormous amount of energy (which

feminists see as liberating and conservatives see as simply destructive).

 

"Some indication of that energy, and its direction, may be gleaned from the

behavior of the children of split families or single-parent families,

especially where they have reached a critical mass forming more than half

the population, as in the large cities of America. In such locales, there is

not much evidence of "Western civilization" or even of civility. For

thousands of years, the city was the source of civilization. In contemporary

America, however, it has become the source of barbarism.

 

<End quote>

 

As I said at the beginning though it may sound like a simplistic answer it

is not. Secular fundamentalism (materialism) in its manifestation as

feminism is very destructive. The tragic irony is that while we members of

ISKCON should be a force to combat feminism, feminism has instead deeply

infiltrated into the heart of ISKCON because of the betrayal of several

ISKCON leaders including GBC members who embrace feminism outright and

promote it in ISKCON. They are not even honest feminists because they are

quick to distance themselves from the "F" word. But as the vernacular saying

goes: if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it must be a duck.

So though they abjure the feminist rubric they are feminists nonetheless.

 

To find out more about feminism please visit the following resources. These

sites have very good links. Now I should say that I do not agree with

everything that is said here, these are done by karmis, however we follow

the principle that "you can take out gold even from a filthy place." Some

are better than others; in any case you will find a lot of very useful

information here regarding the topics I have discussed in this text.

 

Your humble servant

Shyamasundara Dasa

www.ShyamasundaraDasa.com

_________

This site is like an anti-feminist portal with a good introductory essay

plus many organized links and a blog:

 

http://jkalb.freeshell.org/web/antifeminism.php

 

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/marriage.htm

 

http://siddhanta.com/weblogs/culture/ (new blog by a devotee)

 

Popular culture's war on men

http://www.mcgill.ca/reporter/34/05/misandry/

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> Thank you for the "Right on" comments, Samba Prabhu.

>

> Now we have to somehow inspire people to take up the varnashram system,

> and yet it seems... and here in India the flow is in the opposite

> direction - that without the government backing the system, our

> aspirations in this regard will remain only on that platform! )-:

 

Thanks for the encouragement prabhuji.

 

Here at New Vrajamandala in Central Spain, the management has had the

forsight to give us 40 hectares of land to begin to create an economy from

the land. We are calling our new project "Madhuvan Eco Village", and we

intend to gradually build it into a fully fledged varnasrama training

center.

 

These are the sole aims of the project, and I am hoping to spend the rest of

my life in the attempt.

 

As Srila Prabhupada indicated, if we take to Krsna Consciousness in the

west, India will follow. So *if* we can develop a Krsna concious village

culture here, it will hopefully have far reaching consequences...

 

We have faith that by following Srila Prabhupadas orders to begin varnasrama

projects on our farms, Krsna will be pleased to help us achieve those goals.

 

Of course we understand that varnasrama development is more than just

growing some vegetables, but it is clear that there needs to be an

independant economy based on the cow and on the land. So we are starting

right there.

 

I would like to ask all the vaisnavas to bless us with success in our

endeavours.

 

Your servant

Samba das

 

www.madhuvan.org

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On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 09:18 PM, Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic

Astrologer) (USA) wrote:

>

>

>> Aren't you over simplifying?

>

> It does sound simplistic doesn't it? But feminism has many aspects to

> it and

> impacts society in many pernicious ways.

 

My intent is not to negate such impacts, I simply want to bring forward

my understanding both as a devotee, mother, child birth educator and

midwife. Every action brings a reaction, this is basic knowledge.

However the effects of conciousness during the primal year are too often

disregarded even by devotees. Narada Muni imparted knowledge to Prahlad

while he was in the womb. What are today's children exposed to during

pregnancy? Music videos just shy of being pornographic, violence, drug

use, illicit sex, have you turned on a tv recently? Are pregnant women

protecting their fetus from these teachings?

 

Whether garbodhana samskara is performed or not, are the children wanted

or "surprises" that are accepted, or refused. There are different levels

of elevation of consciousness, from praying devotees, asking the Lord to

bless their household with a child to those who conceive as an

"unfortunate" result of sex life.

 

> You mention "consciousness at the time of conception." Is it that 50 or

> 100

> years ago people in the USA were performing the garbhodhana samskara and

> suddenly they have stopped 20-30 years ago yielding so much

> varnasankara?

 

Judging by the morality of society 50 years ago, there has been a

difference of consciousness in humans being born over the last 50

years. It is interesting that ethologists are seeing a direct

correlation between the use of drugs during labor and birth and the

rampant use and addiction to drugs in our youth. A mother who chooses to

use drugs in labour is 4 times more likely to raise a child who will

become addicted to drugs in his youth. There has been no research done

(to my knowledge) on the impact of multiple sex partners, or violence

during pregnancy, however we understand, both from Prabhupada's

teachings and in the secular field, that children, while in the , are

very much conscious and aware although trapped in a body that doesn't

allow them to express themselves.

 

>

> So what has changed? Well one notable event was the rise of feminism in

> the

> 60s to present.

 

The introduction of drugs and even unconsciousness during birth also

started in the US in the middle of the previous century. Again I am not

denying that feminism has had an impact, only adding other elements that

impact the life of the children born today.

 

> The radical ideology of feminism is against the natural

> order (it is an ideology full of internal inconsistencies). They shame

> women

> who want to be stay-at-home-moms and urge them to take up careers.

> Motherhood is looked down upon, as is the maternal instinct. To balance

> their careers with family mothers leave their children in daycare

> centers

> often shortly after having given birth. This disrupts bonding during

> early

> years, an important factor pointed out in the link you gave us.

 

There is a trend by women to try to reestablish balance: women being

able to stay at home. Few women eagerly leave their newborn child. For

women to stay at home, they also need husbands who are willing to

provide for their families; this is also a problem in our society.

Women, at times are forced into apparent feminism as a necessity for

survival due to the irresponsible behavior of their partners. In my

professional field women I meet would rather stay at home but are not

necessarily able too for very long. Some women are pregnant because of

promiscuity, others truly were hoping to have found their life's partner

but he has left before responsibilities rolled in, other are married to

week men that have no sense of what it means to be a husband, provider,

protector. A few have the luxury to be able to raise their children at

home. The absence of extended family support, is also a problem.

>

 

> In the work place it is estimated that 30-50% of women have affairs with

> co-workers. These are often adulterous affairs adversely affecting

> families

> leading to divorces. Children are often conceived as well. (Varna

> sankara?)

 

Although two wrongs don't make a right, it would be interesting to know

how many men have affairs with co-workers or others.. To put it simply,

women are abala, they require protection; but are often taken advantage

of. It is imperative that boys be trained to respect all women as

mothers expect for their own wives whom they should not only respect but

also love, guide and protect.

 

>

> With no fault divorces in place in many western countries especially

> USA and

> Canada women are the main initiators of divorce today often for

> frivolous

> reasons.

 

No doubt there are many frivolous reasons for divorce. A man would

rather leave without initiating divorce procedures as a divorce means

either alimony, child support, or both. This is a very complex topic and

every case is different. Divorce has nothing to do with Krsna

consciousness, neither does illicit sex, wife or child abuse or neglect.

They are all here because of the power of Kali Yuga, and our too feeble

attempts at preaching.

 

 

>

> Interestingly since it is known that many wives have affairs at the work

> place it is now a routine procedure that the husband insists on DNA

> testing

> of children to establish paternity during divorce proceedings because in

> 20-30% of cases the children are not his. (Could this be varna sankara?)

 

Of course it is varna sankara in 20-30% of the cases at least. Could it

also be and attempt from the men to avoid child support that will

financially cripple them as they try to go on with their lives? Society

may be raising independent women but also irresponsible men. Which one

came first? There is a vicious circle created that worsens from one

generation to the other. The daughter of a ill-protected or abused woman

will have a tendency not to depend on men for her protection,

maintenance or guidance. While some may wake up one day and decide to

become "a feminist", others are, simply because they know no other way

to survival.

 

Yasomati dd

 

N. B.

Shyamasundara prabhu, regards from my husband and son.