Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 > > The outgoing Prime Minister personally put in a word for a land in > > Moscow with Russian President Putin, and without that request, ISKCON > > would have been very hard pressed to obtain that land. > > > > Similarly PM Vajpayee put in a word for some work for ISKCON in Hungary, > > details of which I'm now fully aware of. > > He also opened ISKCON Delhi, which turned it into an international media > event. The fact is that the BJP took an active role in helping ISKCON in many countries and in India. We never got, and cannot now expect, the same help from the Congress as a party and its allies, although many MPs individually are willing to help. Of course we are not involved in politics nor should we ever be. The BJP has many faults also. But its nice to have some help from the rulers. Your humble servant, Hari-sauri dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Also, the Green parties will help maintain a functioning environment and civilisation for a lot longer than the 'gray' parties. It will be difficult to maintain effective preaching if what civilisation we have collapses into resource wars and floods of refugees fleeing from lands made uninhabitable by over-consumption and industrialisation. Ys Arjunanatha dasa > > In a message dated 6/15/2004 12:30:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Bhakti.Vikasa.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: > > heard that in USA some leaders were telling their followers to vote > > Democrat in the upcoming presidential election, with the reasoning that > > even though the Democrats are for abortion and gay marriage, at least they > > will allow the devotees to exist. (Which seems pretty strange reasoning to > > me The convoluted reasoning is that, due to their "liberal" position, they > > will not bother us, a religious minority. > >Maharaj, "politics is a strange animal", as the saying goes. > >In the USA, the Republican party, especially at present, represents >fanatical protestant Christianity, which indeed is highly inimical to >evangelical Hinduism, which is bascially what we are! :-) > >Bascially, they'd like to eliminate ISKCON, if they could... > >The Democrats, on the other hand would be very accomodating to ISKCON. > >This is the scenerio. Now we know that both sides are beef-eating, alcohol >imbibing "mlecchas & yavanas"... but one is indeed better than the other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 > In the USA, the Republican party, especially at present, represents > fanatical protestant Christianity, which indeed is highly inimical to > evangelical Hinduism, which is bascially what we are! :-) 30 years ago, the Republican party was less religious than the Democratic party. What happened is that a minority of left-leaning elements in the Democratic party took control of some key positions and used their influence to screen candidates in such places as the Democratic Primaries. Furthermore, through the political party and also through the judiciary these radical leftists in the Democratic party started virulently attacking established morality with legislation and judicial activism. This in turn elicited a reaction from evangelist and fundamentalist religious elements to get more involved in politics if only to prevent laws that would further erode traditional morality from being passed. The religious right has litterally been fighting for their cultural life, and it is the anti-religious left that created this class. > Bascially, they'd like to eliminate ISKCON, if they could... Yes they would, but the Democrats even moreso. One distinguished scholar, James Kurth, predicted in an essay 10 years ago that the leftists (Democrats) are actually for control of religious organizations by the government, where the government can dictate and punish religious organizations for practicing their religious beliefs in core areas. A case in point is the recent ruling the the California Supreme Court that ordered Catholic Charities to pay inusrance premiums for Family Planning services, which include abortion for whichever of their employees wanted it. Catholic Charities opposed Family Planning on the principle that abortion was one of its prominent family planning tools. > The Democrats, on the other hand would be very accomodating to ISKCON. Make no mistake about it, the Left wants the Hare Krishna's at least as dead as the Judeo-Christian Right. It is just that the Hare Krishna's might be a little useful in helping the Democratic left push their multicultural social doctrine until they finally succede in destroying American society. When that happens, they will happily turn on ISKCON, just as some rascals within ISKCON are doing right now in the name of "open-mindedness, inclusiveness and compassion." > This is the scenerio. Now we know that both sides are beef-eating, alcohol > imbibing "mlecchas & yavanas"... but one is indeed better than the other... In the short term, maybe. But we also need to remember that many of the very ideas and beliefs that are causing the most internal disturbance within ISKCON are more or less Democratic party ideology. It is no accident that most of our devotees from the begining were left-leaning (and still are). The counter-culture was NOT status-quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 One thing for sure, the democrats are very expert in getting minorities' votes, claiming to be the party of all people. Now if we look at the Bush cabinets, he has more minorities in key positions (e.g Condolesa Rice as Security Advisor, and Colin Powell as Secretary of State), than any previous democratic admnistrations. It's just plain politics that democrats will be better than the Republicans. A person was asked which party is better; democrats or Republicans, he replied both are just after his pocket. The situation in India is just plain crazy right now. Now since the Congress-led government came to power, they are already dismantling the educational syllabus that was put in place by the previous administration. The previous government tried to set in order the accuracy of Indian history to make it more in line with the Vedic histories, but the liberals and left termed it as safronisation of Indian education. Thus the attempt now is to make the school syllabus more secular, which really means adopting European theory of Indian civilisation; European theories means that Aryans were invaders who came to occupied India, and that the original Indians were barbarians etc. Right now, it is practically impossible to get religious education in Indian schools. Even our ISKCON schools in India have to adapt to Indian school syllabus (no religious subjects) if they want to be recognised as an educational institution. It is really lamentable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Interesting and "eye opening" comments, Krishna Kirti Prabhu. Thank you for posting them and raising our level of awareness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 >In the short term, maybe. But we also need to remember that many of the >very ideas and beliefs that are causing the most internal disturbance >within ISKCON are more or less Democratic party ideology. It is no >accident that most of our devotees from the begining were left-leaning (and >still are).The counter-culture was NOT status-quo. I don't understand. Can you please elaborate? I mean, can you please give a quantitative statement than a qualitative statement? Hare Krishna, Your humble servant, Bhadra Govinda Dasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 > >In the short term, maybe. But we also need to remember that many of the > >very ideas and beliefs that are causing the most internal disturbance > >within ISKCON are more or less Democratic party ideology. It is no > >accident that most of our devotees from the begining were left-leaning > >(and still are).The counter-culture was NOT status-quo. > > I don't understand. Can you please elaborate? I mean, can you please > give a quantitative statement than a qualitative statement? > > Hare Krishna, > > Your humble servant, > Bhadra Govinda Dasa. If I may be allowed to comment: many of the early ISKCON devotees in the USA were aligned, as it were, with the "liberal" outlook and politics that became associated with the Democratic political party in the USA, especially during the "antiwar" movement - in protest against the USA's war in Vietnam at the time, that culminated in the 1972 Presidential election where George McGovern was the Democratic candidate who was viewed as ultra Liberal and was defeated by a huge margin by then incumbent President Richard M. Nixon. As you might remember, Nixon later on resigned in shame after it was revealed that he sent a team to steal secrets from the Democratic Party's national headquarters at the Watergate Hotel in Washington DC... This is all "old history" for some of us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Prabhupada's instructions for us a pretty clear on this issue please read verse and purport to 3-13-07 Srimad Bhagavatam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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