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> > The outgoing Prime Minister personally put in a word for a land in

> > Moscow with Russian President Putin, and without that request, ISKCON

> > would have been very hard pressed to obtain that land.

> >

> > Similarly PM Vajpayee put in a word for some work for ISKCON in Hungary,

> > details of which I'm now fully aware of.

>

> He also opened ISKCON Delhi, which turned it into an international media

> event.

 

The fact is that the BJP took an active role in helping ISKCON in

many countries and in India. We never got, and cannot now expect, the same

help from the Congress as a party and its allies, although many MPs

individually are willing to help. Of course we are not involved in politics

nor should we ever be. The BJP has many faults also. But its nice to have

some help from the rulers.

 

Your humble servant,

Hari-sauri dasa

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Also, the Green parties will help maintain a functioning environment and

civilisation for a lot longer than the 'gray' parties. It will be difficult

to maintain effective preaching if what civilisation we have collapses into

resource wars and floods of refugees fleeing from lands made uninhabitable

by over-consumption and industrialisation.

 

Ys

Arjunanatha dasa

 

 

> > In a message dated 6/15/2004 12:30:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > Bhakti.Vikasa.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

> > heard that in USA some leaders were telling their followers to vote

> > Democrat in the upcoming presidential election, with the reasoning that

> > even though the Democrats are for abortion and gay marriage, at least they

> > will allow the devotees to exist. (Which seems pretty strange reasoning to

> > me The convoluted reasoning is that, due to their "liberal" position, they

> > will not bother us, a religious minority.

>

>Maharaj, "politics is a strange animal", as the saying goes.

>

>In the USA, the Republican party, especially at present, represents

>fanatical protestant Christianity, which indeed is highly inimical to

>evangelical Hinduism, which is bascially what we are! :-)

>

>Bascially, they'd like to eliminate ISKCON, if they could...

>

>The Democrats, on the other hand would be very accomodating to ISKCON.

>

>This is the scenerio. Now we know that both sides are beef-eating, alcohol

>imbibing "mlecchas & yavanas"... but one is indeed better than the other...

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> In the USA, the Republican party, especially at present, represents

> fanatical protestant Christianity, which indeed is highly inimical to

> evangelical Hinduism, which is bascially what we are! :-)

 

30 years ago, the Republican party was less religious than the Democratic

party. What happened is that a minority of left-leaning elements in the

Democratic party took control of some key positions and used their influence

to screen candidates in such places as the Democratic Primaries.

Furthermore, through the political party and also through the judiciary

these radical leftists in the Democratic party started virulently attacking

established morality with legislation and judicial activism. This in turn

elicited a reaction from evangelist and fundamentalist religious elements to

get more involved in politics if only to prevent laws that would further

erode traditional morality from being passed. The religious right has

litterally been fighting for their cultural life, and it is the

anti-religious left that created this class.

 

> Bascially, they'd like to eliminate ISKCON, if they could...

 

Yes they would, but the Democrats even moreso. One distinguished scholar,

James Kurth, predicted in an essay 10 years ago that the leftists

(Democrats) are actually for control of religious organizations by the

government, where the government can dictate and punish religious

organizations for practicing their religious beliefs in core areas. A case

in point is the recent ruling the the California Supreme Court that ordered

Catholic Charities to pay inusrance premiums for Family Planning services,

which include abortion for whichever of their employees wanted it. Catholic

Charities opposed Family Planning on the principle that abortion was one of

its prominent family planning tools.

 

> The Democrats, on the other hand would be very accomodating to ISKCON.

 

Make no mistake about it, the Left wants the Hare Krishna's at least as dead

as the Judeo-Christian Right. It is just that the Hare Krishna's might be a

little useful in helping the Democratic left push their multicultural social

doctrine until they finally succede in destroying American society. When

that happens, they will happily turn on ISKCON, just as some rascals within

ISKCON are doing right now in the name of "open-mindedness, inclusiveness

and compassion."

 

> This is the scenerio. Now we know that both sides are beef-eating,

alcohol

> imbibing "mlecchas & yavanas"... but one is indeed better than the

other...

 

In the short term, maybe. But we also need to remember that many of the

very ideas and beliefs that are causing the most internal disturbance within

ISKCON are more or less Democratic party ideology. It is no accident that

most of our devotees from the begining were left-leaning (and still are).

The counter-culture was NOT status-quo.

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One thing for sure, the democrats are very expert in getting minorities'

votes, claiming to be the party of all people. Now if we look at the Bush

cabinets, he has more minorities in key positions (e.g Condolesa Rice as

Security Advisor, and Colin Powell as Secretary of State), than any previous

democratic admnistrations. It's just plain politics that democrats will be

better than the Republicans. A person was asked which party is better;

democrats or Republicans, he replied both are just after his pocket.

 

The situation in India is just plain crazy right now. Now since the

Congress-led government came to power, they are already dismantling the

educational syllabus that was put in place by the previous administration.

The previous government tried to set in order the accuracy of Indian history

to make it more in line with the Vedic histories, but the liberals and left

termed it as safronisation of Indian education. Thus the attempt now is to

make the school syllabus more secular, which really means adopting European

theory of Indian civilisation; European theories means that Aryans were

invaders who came to occupied India, and that the original Indians were

barbarians etc. Right now, it is practically impossible to get religious

education in Indian schools. Even our ISKCON schools in India have to adapt

to Indian school syllabus (no religious subjects) if they want to be

recognised as an educational institution. It is really lamentable.

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>In the short term, maybe. But we also need to remember that many of the

>very ideas and beliefs that are causing the most internal disturbance

>within ISKCON are more or less Democratic party ideology. It is no

>accident that most of our devotees from the begining were left-leaning (and

>still are).The counter-culture was NOT status-quo.

 

I don't understand. Can you please elaborate? I mean, can you please give

a quantitative statement than a qualitative statement?

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

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> >In the short term, maybe. But we also need to remember that many of the

> >very ideas and beliefs that are causing the most internal disturbance

> >within ISKCON are more or less Democratic party ideology. It is no

> >accident that most of our devotees from the begining were left-leaning

> >(and still are).The counter-culture was NOT status-quo.

>

> I don't understand. Can you please elaborate? I mean, can you please

> give a quantitative statement than a qualitative statement?

>

> Hare Krishna,

>

> Your humble servant,

> Bhadra Govinda Dasa.

 

If I may be allowed to comment: many of the early ISKCON devotees in the USA

were aligned, as it were, with the "liberal" outlook and politics that

became associated with the Democratic political party in the USA, especially

during the "antiwar" movement - in protest against the USA's war in Vietnam

at the time, that culminated in the 1972 Presidential election where George

McGovern was the Democratic candidate who was viewed as ultra Liberal and

was defeated by a huge margin by then incumbent President Richard M. Nixon.

 

As you might remember, Nixon later on resigned in shame after it was

revealed that he sent a team to steal secrets from the Democratic Party's

national headquarters at the Watergate Hotel in Washington DC...

 

This is all "old history" for some of us...

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