The Secret Lives of Wives + This Is Not A Book Review

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> > Men are the culprits of the feminist movement, not the women, if I

> > understood Srila Prabhupada correctly.

>

> Considering that most of the men mentioned in that article were not even

> born or were small children when the 2nd wave of feminism was at its

> height (we are presently suffering through the 3rd wave of feminism) and

> Srila Prabhupada made those statements I fail to see how they could be the

> social engineers behind feminism. These are just ordinary guys not social

> engineers.

 

What I was referring to was in keeping with Srila Prabhupada's statement -

he said men were the culprits. You can't quote his opinions about women's

lib without accepting who he said was the cause. But you are right that it

is women that bring womens lib into ISKCON - possibly because the sexual

advantages are not there for spiritually minded men in ISKCON..... again, it

could be said the self-interest of men trying to control their senses is NOT

to have women's lib in ISKCON!!

 

> For a look at the motives of why they don't want to marry American women

> see http://www.wtw.org/mob/motimen.htm and

http://www.wtw.org/mob/whatmen.htm

 

> Could you please demonstrate to us how it is that ALL men are involved in

> a social engineering plot to create disposable women (feminists) for easy

> enjoyment, and who, growing tired of this, now want traditional wives?

>

> Since you are a male I assume that you are also part of this plot, so it

> shouldn't be hard to prove.

 

I don't object to being one of the good guys, and like you I do object to

devotees who think Srila Prabhupada was right about some things and wrong

about things they have difficulty accepting. Some women have difficulty

accepting the subordinate role of women and some men have difficulty

accepting their dominant role in setting the social agenda, including

feminism. No-one is saying ALL men are responsible for womens lib, but Srila

Prabhupada is saying NO women are responsible for womens lib. That is the

point that I feel you are missing.

 

> Could you also please accurately identify the actual culprits (male social

> engineers) and demonstrate why they are so?

 

Srila Prabhupada said so, I do not know his sources.

 

> I agree with Srila Prabhupada's statements about the complicity of some

> but not all men in this social evil. Whether they hatched the plot or just

> took advantage of it would require a deep study of the history of feminism

> from it roots in the late 1700s. See:

>

> http://womenshistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa082099.htm

>

> for historical roots of feminism.

 

I was recently reading about people in Hollywood with attitudes they want

society to adopt. When Srila Prabhupada said men, he may have been talking

about powerful men as a class - just a speculation. Hollywood and TV

management have policies about what ther want to do with public opinion.

What we can't argue is that it was not women but men who created Women's

lib, and why. Srila Prabhupada told us.

 

> While it is difficult to identify the culprits in the karmi world it is

> not at all difficult to identify them in ISKCON.

>

Intelligent point and I missed it, you are right, it is some women who push

the feminist agenda in ISKCON. However, sticking to what Srila Prabhupada

said about feminism, men (whether powerful groups, selected individuals, as

a race) are the culprits. These women are the social victims of a male plot

who see them not as people to love and respect as their mothers but

creatures to be dominated for one's own purposes. We, men in ISKCON, have to

be careful not to do the same. We do not become gentlemen devotees by

opressing women to conform to a behaviour that suits our male sense

gratification within ISKCON. If change is not done with love and respect, it

deserves to improve nothing.

 

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Antardwip das