XYZ's latest reply to Adri...

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> > statements that his disciples would initiate after his departure

>

> We are sorry, if you can first produce these repeated statements as

> claimed exist, in that form, we have seen no such evidence.

 

Your "in that form" stipulation is like saying that ®rila Prabhup€da never

said to put prasada in your mouth rather than your ear.

 

Here are, again, a few of the quotes that your new guru has so impudently

"explained away".

 

"Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bonafide Guru,

and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a

matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime

of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples

to him, AND IN HIS ABSENCE OR DISAPPEARANCE YOU CAN ACCEPT

DISCIPLES WITHOUT ANY LIMITATION. THIS IS THE LAW OF

DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. I WANT TO SEE MY DISCIPLES BECOME

BONAFIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SPREAD KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS

VERY WIDELY, THAT WILL MAKE ME AND KRISHNA VERY HAPPY."

(SPL to Tusta Krishna, 2 December, 1975

 

 

"As already stated, Brahma is the original spiritual master

for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord

Himself, the message of Srimad-Bhagavatam is coming down

by disciplic succession, and in order to receive the real

message of Srimad-Bhagavatam ONE SHOULD APPROACH THE CURRENT LINK, OR

SPIRITUAL MASTER, IN THE CHAIN OF DISCIPLIC

SUCCESSION. After being initiated by the proper spiritual

master in that chain of succession, one should engage himself

in the discharge of tapasya in the execution of devotional

service. ONE SHOULD NOT, HOWEVER, THINK HIMSELF ON THE LEVEL

OF BRAHMA TO BE INITIATED DIRECTLY BY THE LORD

[or any other predecessor] FROM INSIDE because in the present

age no one can be accepted to be as pure as Brahma."

(SB 2.9.7 p)

 

"I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will

inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family

transcendental diploma will continue through the generations.

THOSE POSSESSING THE TITLE OF BHAKTIVEDANTA WILL BE ALLOWED

TO INITIATE DISCIPLES. MAYBE BY 1975, ALL OF MY DISCIPLES WILL

BE ALLOWED TO INITIATE AND INCREASE THE NUMBERS OF THE

GENERATIONS. THAT IS MY PROGRAM."

(SPL to Hamsaduta, 3 December, 1968)

 

I wrote: "But if "henceforward" and "no change" are to be taken so

literally, even in the face of ®rila Prabhup€da's repeated statements that

his disciples would initiate after his departure (which "Acarya" KK Desai so

glibly "explains away"), then why not this part also? If you take "no

change" to be absolutely no change, sticking exactly to the literal meaning,

then only these 11 should be the ritviks for all time to come."

 

Avoiding the question, you instead gave supposed reasoning and back up

evidence in support of your misunderstanding. But you insist that

"henceforward" and "no change" are to be taken absolutely literally, without

consideration of context or even the whole body of ®rila Prabhup€da's

teachings. Quotes have to be understood in context. Better to look over the

wider range of comments on the subject matter that Srila Prabhupada gave and

try to understand the principles behind his instructions.

 

Anyway, my question remains: why do you not stick to one standard? Why do

you take one part literally and another not?

 

It's interesting that you quote TKG when you want to and discard his

evidence when it goes against your agenda. Like the mayavadis, who impose

their concoctions on sastra and then try to twist the sastra to make it fit,

you selectively quote, discard evidence as unreliable or unimportant when it

goes against your agenda, and are forced to make complex extrapolations to

attempt to support that which is not factual.

 

> We can all call each other names, but that is not a very mature approach,

> and where will it get us... really...?

 

This is great, coming from the compatriot of those who have made it their

business to slander, fault find and fabricate charges against Vaisnavas and

publicize such garbage as widely as possible. "Very mature" presumably means

to make court cases against the GBC?

 

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Funny how Adri is so adept at criticizing others but takes no responsibility

for misdeeds that happened under his nose.

 

Funny how one who considers the GBC "mundane voters" prefers the decision of

a High Court judge.

 

Funny how everyone new coming at that time in CCU, who was associated with

Adri, just happened to get initiated by Bhav. Again, where at that time was

Adri's understanding of what he calls Srila Prabhupada's clear order (i.e.

ritvikism)?

 

Funny how this letter is not signed "Adri and Madhu" like most others. Funny

how there's no reply to the observation that Madhu changed suddenly from

being a fanatical zonal guru supporter to a fanatical ritvikite, according

to the need to control.

 

Funny how for so long Adri had nothing good to say about Madhu or the

Bangalore project, but now holds it up as a paragon.