The Final Summary

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> > 1) No-one has been able to prove from Srila Prabhupada's

> > teachings that the guru must be physically present at the

> > time of the initiation ceremony. Hari Sauri prabhu has

> > since accepted the guru only needs to be within the same

> > universe, and so is very close to accepting our position

> > since Srila Prabhupada said he remains in the universe until

> > all his disciples are liberated.

>

> This is nonsense and it again illustrates why it is

> worthless to talk to the ritviks since they are incapable of

> hearing anything correctly. This is far away from the

> conclusion I presented.

 

As Jayadvaita Maharaja pointed out, the Ritviks twofold tactic

when responding is first to construe what you have said and

second to attack vigorously the something you didn't say.

 

We've seen them do it time and time again, as described here by

Hari Sauri Prabhu.

 

> The point in question was about BG 4.1 which describes the

> interaction between demigods who can travel interplanetary. I

> made the point very clearly that diksa is given when guru and

> disciples are in physical proximity. For the demigods, being

> on the same planet is irrelevent since the common space they

> occupy is much larger. They are in physical proximity almost

> anywhere in the universe. However if one of them leaves the

> body they presently occupy, it is not possible for diksa to

> take place and I substantiated this with Srila Prabhupada's

> statements in BG 4.5.

>

> For us, since we are bound by nature's laws to

> confinement on one planet, guru and disciple have to be

> physically on the same planet at the same time for diksa to

> take place.

>

> Its simple for the honest, and not at all clear for the

> crooked.

>

> Your humble servant,

> Hari-sauri dasa

 

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