Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 Dear Basu Ghosh Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > The holy name is not simply a part of some Vedic or Pancaratrik process. > > It is the essence of them all. All of them depend on the holy name to > > give their results, while the holy name gives its results without the > > help of any of them. > It may be what you say about the Holy name... > > Yet I stick to my point about the word "nama" in the pertinent verse that > you have so kindly supplied above. > > The "pramana" is that the guru chants on the beads of the disciple at the > time of initiation. And handing him the beads is the action of > "transmitting" the Holy name to the disciple from the guru. Isn't that > obvious enough? Not to this dull-brained fool. It will take some time to find the sastra pramana to the contrary, but I will work on it. Certainly the holy name must be transmitted through sound vibration, not by handing over beads. It is described that the holy name is like water and the 64 angas of bhakti described in Bhakti Rasamrta Sindhu are like waves on that water. There is no question of waves without water, so there is no question of bhakti without the holy name. Approaching a spiritual master and taking initiation are angas of bhakti and are dependent on the holy name, but the holy name will act without beads or even without a guru, although where necessary it will supply a guru! > And there are many instances where a guru DOES NOT change the name of the > disciple. One example that comes to mind is that of "Abhay Charan Das". > Wherein only the appendage "das" was "added" or "given". This is also a new name. > This is how I understand this 1st anga of panchanga diksha. Hope you see > the logic; from the tradition. Which is another meaning of the word > "paramparaa". (3rd anga). I have no problem with accepting tradition and logic. They are also pramana of sorts. But I will have to find the sastra pramana. Too bad we don't have a folio of the collected writings of Bhaktivinode Thakur! Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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