Pancharatrika vidhi is a concoction according to... Jagadguru Adri!

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Dear Adri Prabhu,

 

Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

 

> > There are many quotations from SP regarding pancharatrika vidhi where he

> > says we must accept that process.

> >

> > And it is in the presence of the guru that he awards initiation; at

> > least he must be present on the planet & that explains how SP gave

> > initiation to both of us by post!

>

> The above is your own invented sastric injunction.

 

So "pancharatrika vidhi" is my invention, eh? Sorry, I'm neither an

incarnation of Vishnu, nor Vyasadev!

 

Lord Vishnu, according to Yaamunacharya in his "Aagama pramanyam" is the

author of the Pancharatra. The vidhis described there were accepted, nay

propounded by Srila Prabhupada in his purports/letters/lectures and

conversations, that you prefer to ignore. And then you come up with this

most obvious speculation...below! Well, you are welcome to accept it, but

it is not the teaching of the vedic literatures, nor SP!

 

> Nowhere in Srila

> Prabhupada's books is it stated that the guru must be on the same planet

> in order for diksa to function properly. Even HS appears to concede the

> guru only has to be in the same universe.

 

At the time when "pancha samskara diksha" is conferred on a disciple, it is

generally done in the presence of the guru. Otherwise, how can he confer

the samskaras.

 

SP did authorize certain "chosen" individuals to act on his behalf, starting

around 1973, to assist him in administering these samskaras, in view of the

fact that he had started a large, worldwide institution. Wherein he was the

sole acharya & he wanted to follow the tradition that a diksha guru's

disciples DO NOT confer diksha on anyone as long as their diksha guru is

present. This is clear from numerous examples, that you time & again

reject/avoid/ignore, in SP letters/purports/conversations/lectures.

 

What will you gain by continuing this stubbornness. At least here on these

conferences, except for your letters, you have no one else who supports you

speculations. They accept historical fact, which you have chosen to reject.

 

> You and your GBC cohorts have

> simply invented a philosophy which has more basis in Rabinnical culture

> than Bhagavat philosophy. If you want to preach your own deviant

> philosophy then why not be a gentleman and start your own movement?

 

Sorry, it seems that YOU are the one who is deviating, from the correct

historical evidences. If that is "Rabinnical culture" (which it seems

obvious from your tone that you are far more learned in then we), well, I

guess we'll just have to accept your "sage advice"

 

Pray instruct us more on the intricate science(s) of religious principles

that you seem to have studied in such detail!

 

> > SP himself differentiates between physical presence and absence. When

> > one is liberated from the material body then indeed the physical becomes

> > "immaterial" or rather, "irrelevant".

>

> The above is never once stated anywhere, and is directly contradicted

> since Srila Prabhupada was writing to many of his disciples saying

> physical presence was irrelevant in the present tense.

 

Then pray inform us as to why SP drew up a "will" in the court? Was he too

guilty of what you assert below? Why did he make arrangements for the

insitution to function managerially "after his disapperance" if "there is no

difference" between "presence & absence"? And for your information, since

Srila Prabhupada is indeed absent from this material world & our material

vision at the present moment, we refer to him & all previously present

acharyas in the past tense! But you are welcome to continue juxtaposing the

meaning of English words... and thus change their meanings! If that's not

cavil & quibble... then it's simply deception... but it isn't working! You

are not convincing the readers... here, at least!

 

> You are simply

> maufacturing your own bogus philosophy in order to justify removing Srila

> Prabhupada from his rightful diksa status. This is actually killing the

> guru, never mind any poison.

 

You reject the GBC - SP's constituted authority for managing ISKCON; you

reject the many facts and evidences from SP's

books/purports/lectures/conversations/etc., and you reject history & say

that we are killing the guru.

 

Fantastic! Who is manufacturing "your own bogus philosophy"?

 

(For the "ritvik system of initiation, for which not an iota of evidence

from vedic literatures/SP's purports/lectures/writings has been shown here

on these conferences, is being propagated here by you.)

 

Therefore, I must bow down to your feet and offer you my most humble

obeisances!

 

You are indeed "Jagadguru Adri"; for you know everything - better it seems

that Srila Prabhupada did!

 

And we know nothing... except, of course, what SP instructed us!

 

dasanudas,

 

Basu Ghosh Das