Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 > Conclusion Nay, Adri's confusion. > It should be noted that even if the GBC were able to wangle > out of their own resolutions above so as to still deny Srila > Prabhupada's diksa guru status for ISKCON, still the content > of the resolutions alone, are definitely not a million miles > away from the IRG position - compare for instance the GBC > resolutions above with the GBC Guru Tattva of 1978, when they > established the 11 zonal acharyas. This then presents us with > the following dilemma: > > Why is that the closer the GBC come to accepting IRG > position, the more they demonise and attack the IRG? > > A clear example of this paradoxical madness of coming close to > or accepting our position but at the same time increasing the > rhetoric against the IRG, is exhibited by His Grace Ajamila > Dasa Adhikari, one of the GBC's most fervent supporters and > also the most vocal angry and aggressive 'anti-ritvik'. He > stated the following recently: > > "True, Srila Prabhupada's books will impart divya jnana for > the next 10,000 years and in that way Srila Prabhupada will be > the predominent siskha guru for all ISKCON Vaisnvasas." > (Ajamila Das, Com text 2293998, 6th May) I stand by my words. There is no meat in that statement to enhance the deformed bones of your ritvik concoction. > "From the absolute perspective physical contact is not > required, we need only to "follow the process" to get back to > Godhead. Diksa initiation formalises our connection with the > parampara. But that formality alone will not get us back to > Godhead. Only by following the process of chanting Hare > Krishna offenselessly will one get back to Godhead." > (His Grace Ajamila Dasa Adhikari, 22/5/99, Text COM:2336806) I stand by my words again derived from Srila Prabhupada's books. Again, not even a hint of ritvikism there. Formalising one's link with the parampara is a must, but that alone cannot get one back to Godhead. This is what any "philosophicaly healthy" Vaisnava would have understood from my text. Is it not a fact that Ritviks see ritvikism everywhere, even though there is not even a hint of it anywhere in Vedic literature? If you want to be OUTSIDE Srila Prabhupada's books and Vedic literature then by all means consume ritvikism at your own peril. > Please note here how he states that 'physicality' is not > necessary for going back to godhead, and the Diksa initiation > ceremony is only a 'formality'. Please compare these > statements with the quotes given above about diksa and > initiation, quoted from 'The Final Order', and again you will > see how His Grace Ajamila prabhu is not a million miles from > the IRG position. Very close infact. You are dreaming. > And yet Ajamila prabhu is > the person who has been selected to represent the GBC on the > upcoming CHAKRA debate 'against' the 'ritviks' (and is also a > co-author of 'Prabhupada's Order', touted as the 'definitive > anti-ritvik' GBC paper), and also has said that "the > personality of kali has personally occupied the body of > Adridharan Dasa, and is speaking through him!" I notice he is still there, afterall, as Srila Prabhupada says, only a disciple of Kali would take a philosophical dispute to a court, right? Are you not Kali's disciple? Nay, sorry for the offense. Disciple of his disciple, Desai. > Such confusion and madness, of almost agreeing with someone > and at the same time demonising them as much as possible, is > only to be expected from having continually disobeyed the > order of Srila Prabhupada, even if by their own words it would > seem that they should have been following Srila Prabhupada's > order. Keep dreaming Adri. > Thus in summary: > > Srila Prabhupada is everyone's diksa guru in ISKCON for as > long as ISKCON exists - by order of the GBC! This is your anauthorised concoction. > We never thought we would end a paper by stating this, but it > is a fact - 'game, set and match' to the GBC. Alas at least > until next year, when the GBC may change their siddhanta yet > again, we are left with the fact that according to the GBC, > Srila Prabhupada is the Diksa Guru for everyone in ISKCON. You have not proved the GBC said such a thing, you only think they did and so are arguing with a STRAW GBC that you created, not the real one. You are arguining with something they did not say. In short you are arguing with yourself. This your BAD mayavada habit. Please get REAL once and for all. > Will they now expel themselves for preaching such 'deviant > philosophy'?!! > > If the GBC would now accept there own resolutions, just > passed, we have a perfect means to end the IRG court case, and > then we can all work co-operatively together to push on Srila > Prabhupada's mission. Adri you're talking to a STRAW GBC that you created not the real one remember. Please wake up. > GBC ki jai! Srila Prabhupada ki jai! > > [ Please note that the above is the conclusion of accepting > the GBC's own resolutions, and what follows from accepting > their resolution. The paper above is not an exposition of the > IRG position - but simply pointing out that the conclusion of > what the GBC are saying here would lead to the same conclusion > as the IRG - that Srila Prabhupada is the diksa guru for > everyone in ISKCON, for the duration of ISKCON.] Nice try Adri, but no thanks. Another text of yours for the ritvik bin. Adri we are setting up courses to teach our bhaktas what is mayavada and you have provided the perfect material. By the time we finished this massive education push throughout ISKCON worldwide you won't want to talk to anyone in ISKCON since even all our young bhaktas and bhaktins will make you the BUTT of all their jokes. It will be ever so funny. They'll have such a smashing good time smashing all your mayavada arguments. Have a good day smashing the ritviks, Vaisnavas love smashing the arguments of mayadvadis. Hari Bol! Adri ys ada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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