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> > Why change the subject?

>

> Because I think the subject needs "changing" throughout the leadership of

> ISKCON and it is quite apparent that the results of the current management

> paradigm has lacked in success, to put it mildly. Srila Prabhupada was

> fully aware that his disciples were "falling down" from practice of

> brahminical principles because they weren't brahmanas by nature. Thus he

> said we should divide the society into the four varnas and train

> accordingly. Thus there isn't the fruitless attempt to make brahmanas out

> of sudras, vaisyas or ksatriyas, or the other way around, and all still

> get the perfection of Krsna consciousness.

>

> We push, shove and demand pancharatrika and other Vedic rituals when Srila

> Prabhupada said clearly, "varna first, then asrama. ...Asrama is later."

> People have to be engaged properly then they will have peace of mind and

> if they don't have peace of mind how can they take to this great

> philosophy?

>

> Stop putting the horse before the cart.

>

> Lord Caitanya preached to give up everything. He accepted no process other

> than chanting Hare Krsna much less pancharatrika and other Vedic rituals.

> But, Srila Prabhupada said that is NOT our program - varnasrama-dharma is

> our program because we have to give material facility to everyone on a

> larger scale because we are supposed to be merciful to everyone. We are

> doing things that are small, we have tiny influence on society at large.

> To have big influence this varnasrama-dharma program must be instituted.

> It is the MOST auspicious program.

 

I for one agree that varnasharam dharma ought to be implemented in society.

 

Exactly how to go about it is a very complicated subject. And I'm sure that

we'll find many shades of opinions on the subject.

 

But you avoided my question & are attempting to steer a discussion that was

in progress on pancharatrika vidhi in another direction.

 

You are already engaged in an e-mail discussion on varnashrama on the

varnashrama development conference - which I purposely left for reasons I'd

rather not go into just now & here.

 

> > You have every right to make a GBC proposal in this regard. Kindly do

> > so & "put your proposal where you keyboard is!"

>

> I've have been submitting such proposals to the leaders for over 24 years

> by many different means. It has always fallen on deaf ears I'm afraid. But

> I keep trying by typing the hell out of this keyboard and continuing my

> study of our guru maharaja's orders to start varnasrama-dharma everywhere

> in every center for everyone.

>

> Would you join in the effort to promote Srila Prabhupada's orders to

> implement varnasrama? Surely you know current leaders with influence.

 

First I'd like to see the "practical proposals" in this regard, before

agreeing to get involved in a "new cause". I think that's fair enough.

 

And here on these conferences; at least at the moment, I opine that we ought

not shift the focus of the discussion. On the basis of time, place &

circumstance.