Varna first, asrama later????

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> > > That is because they have tried to run before they can

> > > even

> > > crawl. We must remember - Varna first, asrama later.

> >

> > I realize I have'nt contributed much to this issue, but

> > where

> > did you get "We must remember - Varna first, asrama later."

> > from?

> >

> > Srila Prabhupada didn't do that with us. He asked us to

> > chant 16 rounds daily first. He taught us to ask outsiders

> > to chant Hare Krishna first. Have you got it back to front

> > or have I missed something?

> >

> > ys

> >

> > ada

>

>

>

> Unfortunately, Prabhu, yes you've missed something huge in my

> estimation. Don't worry though you are in good and numerous

> company with most of the entire GBC also not incorporating

> this most auspicious and important preaching program

> inaugurated by Srila Prabhupada more than 25 years ago in

> Vrindavana. Or maybe they know but choose to ignore it? I

> wouldn't know because the GBC doesn't represent itself to us

> on this most important subject on any regular (daily) basis.

>

> The exact quote is: "Srila Prabhupada: First of all varna and

> when the varna is perfectly in order, then there is asrama.

> Asrama is especially meant for spiritual advancement. Varna

> is general division. It must be there in human society. If

> varna is not there then this is a society of animals. And when

> the varna is working perfectly, then we give them the asrama.

> ... ASRAMA, that is later on." SP MWC Vrin 3/74.

 

You have supported your statement well. Thanks. I'm convinced,

but I still have a doubt. Why did Srila Prabhupada not teach us

our varna first? And why did he have us in ISKCON not teach

others their varna first?

 

Apart from the above quote, and no doubt there are others too,

all Srila Prabhupada's instructions direct us to FIRST chant

and the get others to chant without very little mention of

varna.

 

No need to inundate me with the quotes supporting your initial

point, I read most of them. My question is how do you RECONCILE

these opposing instructions? Should we measure them quantitately

to determine priority? Maybe the GBC have done that!!

 

 

> You really need to read the whole conversation to be fully

> enlivened with the concept. I am sure you must have the

> transcription of these morning walk conversations?

>

> Also, Srila Prabhupada continued these same instructions in

> his fantastic conversations with Hari-sauri Prabhu on

> Valentines Day in 1977, a few months before leaving this

> planet. Surely you also have these transcriptions? Both are

> detailed instructions and orders to implement

> varnasrama-dharma into ISKCON.

>

> I won't provide the texts here because I am sure you can get

> the texts from any GBC man in your proximity. Read them

> together! It will be quite enlightening.

 

ys

 

ada