Guest guest Posted July 19, 1999 Report Share Posted July 19, 1999 Thanks for accepting that at least this statement is not true for this age when Lord Caitanya personally inaugurated the sankirtan movement. But it is not for other kali yugas also because it talks about Lord Caitanya, the original avatari who includes all Visnu tattvas in Him, and who came only in this kali yuga 500 years ago. The author of this statement is referring to this kali yuga and in such a case he is highly mistaken. > And to accept it does not diminish > the greatness of Srila Prabhupada or of the holy names of Svayam Bhagavan. > Any thoughts on this? To diminish the greatness of the preacher acaryas is corollary derived by some but the main point is that this statement is not true for this age when Lord Caitanya has relished the mood of Radharani by nama-sankirtan so He Himself has to perform nama-sankirtan not other Visnu tattvas and Prabhupada confirms this. > This statement, imho, is not unreasonable It is a surely unreasonable concoction because as you said in normal Kali Yugas, a black incarnation comes to propogate the Yuga Dharma. So obviously the statement cannot be for other yugas because Lord Caitanya does not come in other yugas (only once in a day of Brahma). > So the above statement is consistent with the idea the general Kali-yuga > dharma. No, this statement is not pointing to other kali yuga but this very Kali yuga. Because this statement is talking about Lord Caitanya, the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is having Maha Visnu, Narayana, Nrsimha included in Him. This is only possible for the avatari who came only in this Kali Yuga. In other Kali Yugas, the blackish incarnation is a yuga avatara and Maha Visnu, Narayana, Nrsimha are not included in Him. So this statement is about this Yuga and therefore it is incorrect, misderived and leads to offensive conclusions. > And to accept it does not diminish > the greatness of Srila Prabhupada Why should we accept it when it is fictitious & not true? Why should we accept it when it is not deliniated by our acaryas? We can't accept anybody's personal speculation in such deep spiritual conclusions. It may even lead to sahajiyaism saying that all acaryas who practiced nama-sankirtan are lower than the people who directly practice & preach raganuga bhakti. The 'so called' raganuga preachers are the real servants of Lord Caitanya and the preachers of nama-sankirtan are servants only of Maha Visnu, Narayana or Nrsimhadeva. Such mistaken conclusions have already been derived about Prabhupada. There are offensive conclusions which have been derived from this fallacious statement in an attempt to diminish the position of Prabhupada and I think it was Jasomatinandan Prabhu who wrote a paper to defeat this argument. I don't know whether those were derived by the same person who made this statement but I think it is most probably so. Your servant, Nayana-ranjana Dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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