URGENT: GBC must implement varnasrama-dharma

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> > Our sannysis and gurus ALL know that Srila Prabhupada gave the orders to

> > divide this society of devotees into four varnas and yet they have

> > failed completely to even BEGIN this endeavor for over 25 years. There

> > is not even ONE varnasrama college in the movement in the mode of

> > operation as described by Srila Prabhupada in his March 1974 varnasrama-

> > morning walk conversations. He ordered that varnasrama colleges be

> > started IMMEDIATELY in EVERY center of the movement.

> >

> > Why haven't these "very, very sincere" leaders done this?

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> OK , I will begin the process . You will be a sudra . You are assigned to

> assist in Flame Wars . Because you are the only sincere person who has

> ever done anything worthwhile in the last 25 years you should be good at

> this . But first you have to find a brahmin you can work for . Good luck ,

> given your propensity for vituperation .

 

 

Ahhhh, the sweet sound of a swami. It's always refreshing!

 

Catch you on a bad day Maharaja? I'm a little surprised at your reaction to

my rather tame comments. This was nothing compared to some previous debates

with other swamis and godbrothers.

 

One reason I would suggest we have not been very successful at implementing

daiva varnasrama-dharma is the propensity for "leaders" or others like

yourself to think that someone is going to dole out the designations and

order someone to be a sudra and assist in "flame wars" or the like. we first

have to RECOGNIZE that varnasrama-dharma already exists; it is eternal,

created by Krsna - catur-varnyam... .To think we have to come to some level

of "purity" before we are qualified to implement it practicably in our lives

is denying our constitutional nature for some artificial alternative social

system.

 

 

> Also I don't agree with you . There have been many discussions , seminars

> and even attempts at establishing parts of varnasrama . Many papers have

> been written and even a couple of books . It is not an easy subject .

 

 

Take baby steps first. You have to crawl before you can run.

Varnasrama-dharma is a very, very comprehensive system of social and

spiritual human culture without doubt. It is like the mathematical systems

which are very comprehensive and have very high levels of practice and

logic. But anyone, even a child, can be a practitioner of the mathematical

system simply by learning the 1+1=2 equation which is true in even the

highest math.

 

Just because we do not know the highest levels of varnasrama-dharma practice

shouldn't stop us completely from endeavoring to BEGIN the process as

directed practically by Srila Prabhupada.

 

Do you think Srila Prabhupada had the wrong idea in March of 1974 when he

gave detailed instructions of how to start varnasrama-dharma implementation

within this society? How many of those instructions have been implemented in

ISKCON? This is not to condemn everything else that has been done, but

certainly it should have received at least equal priority in budgeting and

man-power. Don't you think?

 

 

 

> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta wanted very much to do it . He was in India working

> with Indians who are much more familiar with this . He was active for at

> least 30 years and had complete control of his mission . Srila Prabhupada

> had 12 years . He described varnasrama as one of his missions .

 

 

He described it as wholely a HALF of his mission and the one thing that he

lamented having not fulfilled, leaving it to us.

 

 

> We are being heavily attacked from so many sides at this time and we are

> trying to keep Srila Prabhupada's mission together

 

 

Varnasrama-dharma, the medicine for the disease that ails us, would make

things a lot easier to manage, Prabhu. We will endlessly fight the symptoms

with no real success.

 

"Society cannot depend on sudras. Nor can you depend on the brahmanas. To

fulfill the necessities of your body, there must be a brain, arms, a

stomach, and legs. The legs, the brain, and the arms are all required for

cooperation to fulfill the mission of the whole body. So in any society you

can see that unless there are these divisions, there will be chaos. IT WILL

NOT WORK PROPERLY. IT WILL BE MAYA AND THERE WILL BE DISTURBANCES." SSR pg

198

 

 

> so someday we may have

> a varnasrama college and a Mayapur Project etc etc .

 

 

Why always so big, big, big? We dream of huge things, never attain them, and

the "small" fundamentals get left behind. Start with small varnasrama

colleges in EVERY center just like Srila Prabhupada advised. Little

counseling rooms where EVERY devotee can receive varnasrama-dharma guidance

EVERYDAY in EVERY center. This is what Srila Prabhupada suggested. Do-able

stuff. Do-able right now.

 

 

 

> We get very little

> encouragement and WHO WANTS THE JOB ANYWAY !!!!

 

 

I am sorry, I find it hard to encourage leaders to continue on a path which

has diverged from the fundamental plans and advice of our guru maharaja.

You are fighting fires and that is unfortunately necessary and commendable

for a few, but the majority of the brahmanas should be detached from that

and stay focused on their duty of training all the four classes in varna

occupations. This will be productive and auspicious.

 

 

 

> Many GBC men , sannyasis

> , temple presidents have put their lives on the line working long hours

> with no budget and you sit at your little home in Syracuse in front of

> your computer firing off your 2 cents worth attacking everyone .

 

 

This is like President Clinton complaining about how his administration is

working sooooo hard all the time on executive matters and government

problems when he seems to forget that it is his method of administration

that causes all the problems that he is soooo busy fighting!

 

You have no budget because you have not instituted varnasrama-dharma,

dividing the devotees into their natural four varnas. This is how economic

development is created, Vedically.

 

 

And, actually, I have a BIG home.

 

You may not be aware, but I have been throwing my "2 cents" in on this

subject for many years, so that surely adds up to a couple dollars by now.

 

And I didn't really attack anyone; I asked a simple question, albeit

admittedly a loaded question - I asked WHY the leaders hadn't done this

(implement Srila Prabhupada's orders to start varnasrama colleges in EVERY

center)

 

You kind of answered it in a round-about-way, but hardly satisfying to a

vituperative person like myself.

 

 

 

> I for one don't appreciate it much . I think you will find a positive

> approach would work better .

 

 

I open to any suggestions for a healthy, positive agenda for the

implementation of varnasrama-dharma. My thankless task of vituperativeness

could finally come to an end, though it would confirm the adage - the

squeaky wheel always gets the grease!

 

 

 

> That said , I apologize if my text has been offensive to you

 

 

Nary a word you said have I found offensive in the least. Indeed, it was

quite invigorating, Maharaja!

 

If it shook you up, that was the intent, with all due respect. To open a

meaningful dialog of a subject which was so dear to our guru, it seems a

trivial disturbance.

 

 

I

> would like to submit , although unbelievable to some , that we are

> sensitive people also .

 

 

Good to hear. Share your sensitivity with others in a varnasrama-dharma

counseling session today!

 

Hari! Hari!

With all respects, sincerely

your fallen servant,

 

Janesvara dasa

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