Who's got the blinders on?

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> ISKCON has thus established a policy where bonafide sadhus and

> gurus outside of ISKCON can not recognized or accepted.

> Various GBC resolutions state this both explicitly and

> implicitly.

 

If you read the resolutions properly you'll find the GBC only

want to worship Srila Prabhupada in the way Srila Prabhupada

wanted us to. This is called loyalty. If other sadhus want to be

recognised and accepted in ISKCON then they have to relate to

Srila Prabhupada as we all do, not take his place. This is

called loyalty.

 

> MISKCONceptions arise not only because of individual

> sentimentality or feelings of dependence but also because of

> ingroup social psychological dynamics. "As far as I (we) are

> concerned, there aren't truly bona fide gurus outside of

> ISKCON. Because in the Gaudiya math, they are not strictly

> following Prabhupada..."

 

This is called loyalty, in case you didn't hear the frst time.

Your misconception is that other sadhus can equal Srila

Prabhupada. My personal opinion is that the best sadhus in

ISKCON are far better than the sadhus you refer to outside

ISKCON. But that is only my opinion, but it is a widely shared

opinion.

 

> So the arguments tend to go. To the

> misguided soul, however, wishing to "follow Prabhupada's mood"

> may in fact mean "preserving the ISKCON mood," which may mean,

> to a large degree, following a social illusion.

 

Satoh vriteh, ISKCON's following in the footprints of Srila

Prabhupada is a social illusion?

 

> Please don't read me wrong.

 

Suuuure!!!

 

> I am NOT advocating everyone to leave ISKCON or break up the

> institution.

 

 

Suuure Srila Prabhu!!

 

The first declaration of a thief is: Hey I'm NOT a thief.

 

 

> But I am hoping devotees will put down their blinders and

> truly take "personal responsibility" for their own spiritual

> lives.

 

Thousands and thousands of devotees are dedicating themselves to

spreading Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON mission and they are not

taking "personal responsibility" for their own spiritual lives?

They've got blinders on?

 

Srila Prabhupada gauranteed that if anyone helps him spread KC

and follows the proper sadhana and regulative principles

programme they will go back to Godhead at the end of THIS life.

And then they'll get all the rasa anyone could ever want. Inside

ISKCON full rasa at the end is guaranteed. Outside ISKCON all

the rasa you want is guaranteed now but what will they get in

the end? The end is not guaranteed.

 

Oh ye of little faith just follow Srila Prabhupada unreservedly

and all your hearts desires will be fulfilled at the end of this

life. Beware of 'rasa' quick fixes.

 

> Because if enough devotees care to open their eyes, the

> managers of ISKCON must respond.

 

What do you want them to do? To do what you are doing? And what

are you doing for Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON anyway? If you as a

disciple of Srila Prabhupada do not please him by staying and

helping his preaching mission then your success in the end is

not gauranteed.

 

> As the "International Society for Krsna Consciousness" founded

> under the guidelines established by Srila Prabhupada in its

> original Charter, ISKCON should facilitate the bonafide

> process of *sadhu-sanga*, not outlaw or suppress it.

 

Bonafide sanga in ISKCON means ONLY associating with those

devotees who appreciate Srila Prabhupada in the way that we all

do. None of the sadhus OUTSIDE of ISKCON appreciate Srila

Prabhupada the way we do INSIDE Iskcon. It is our right to

outlaw anything that even slightly deviates us from following IN

THE FOOTPRINTS of Srila Prabhupada.

 

> Only when we gain the opportunity to associate with genuinely

> qualified PURE Vaisnavas can we fully understand the purport

> to *guru-asraya*, not before.

 

Are you insinuating here that there are no PURE Vaisnavas in

ISKCON and that such PURE Vaisnavas can only be found OUTSIDE

Iskcon? If this is true then what can be said of Srila

Prabhupada's maha bhagavata potency? Srila you are putting your

foot in your mouth.

 

> Otherwise, it is an *abhasa*, or a "semblance" of the process

> -- or worse, a make-show, as we have too often seen. In the

> beginning stages, our chanting of *nama* is also necessarily

> an *abhasa*, but at a certain point, it should become real.

 

So according to you there are no PURE devotees in Iskcon. You

are the one with blinders on.

 

> Seek out PURE DEVOTEES and accept nothing less than the "real

> thing." Our spiritual life is "depending" upon it.

 

Go to Mayapur and associate with Jananivas Prabhu, he is a PURE

devotee. Round up hundreds of your sadhus from OUTSIDE and to me

they all don't equal one Jananivas. There are many, many other

very wonderful and pure deovtees in ISKCON that I could mention

but the list would be incredibly long.

 

What makes me sick is that you can't see anyone in ISKCON as

good because you have some axe to grind about something or

another. You say all ISKCON devotees have blinders on because

they can't see the PURE devotees outside ISKCON that you see,

but the fact is you are the one covered with blinders because

you can't see purity when there is purity and give credit where

credit is due.

 

Why don't you help ISKCON do something positive rather than

CREATING negativity? We don't need your unconstructive

negativity. Keep it to yourself. We are all perfectly happy

following Srila Prabhupada in the way he wanted us to. We don't

need outside help. Srila Prabhupada said many times that he gave

us everything. We don't need to import anything.

 

If we follow your reasoning ISKCON will become a mish mash of so

many things Srila Prabhupada wanted us to keep out.

 

> Aspiring to become the servant of a Vaisnava,

 

If you mean what you say then go and associate with your

wonderful godbrother Jananivas in Mayapur. He is the best

Vaisnava on the planet.

 

> Vaisnavanudasa,

 

In ISKCON

 

> Srila dasa

 

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