PRABHUPADA'S WORDS ARE BHAKTI-SMRTI-SASTRAS*

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Dear Basu Ghosh Prabhu,

Hare Krsna. Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila

Prabhupada.

 

> This is just to let you know that I don't agree with your view that

> Krishna Kirti Prabhu has shown disrespect to Trivikram Maharaj...

 

I am surprised that you say this. It seems you support KK Prabhu, whatever

he says.

 

It is clearly evident that KK prabhu who is fighting for the gurus to be

respected as good as God, is insulting HH Trivikrama Swami (a guru himself)

by indirectly calling him a Mayavadi. Not only he did this in an earlier

letter but he does the same thing in the recent letter, which you have

applauded so much and want ot be put on Chakra. On one hand he is begging

forgiveness and on the other hand he is alleging that Maharaj is propogating

Mayavada by saying that Prabhupada's words are sastras.

 

KK prabhu writes

> >> For example, one participant in this discussion has said that Srila

> >> Prabhupada's words are shastra.

 

> >>In other words,

> >> this idea that Srila Prabhupada's words are shastra is really a form of

> >> Mayavada that is trying to ruin our society. (And doing quite a good

> >> job at it too.)

> > We have all respect for Maharaj, and we apologize for any false

> > accusations.

 

This is a good way to say that my allegations towards you are actually TRUE

allegations.

 

So by the mercy of the Vaisnavas, I would like to prove that this allegation

of Krishna Kirti prabhu towards Trivikrama Maharaj wrong. And that is by

quoting this verse from Cc Madhya 23.104:

 

vrndavane krsna-seva, vaisnava-acara

BHAKTI-SMRTI-SASTRA* kari' kariha pracara

 

"Establish devotional service to Lord Krsna and Radharani in Vrndavana. You

should also compile bhakti scriptures and preach the bhakti cult from

Vrndavana."

 

Here Lord Caitanya is clearly instructing Sanatana Goswami to write

scriptures regarding devotional service and He Himself is calling them

BHAKTI-SMRTI-SASTRAS. So Lord Caitanya Himself is telling that the books

written by Srila Sanatana Goswami (& Srila Rupa Goswami) are called sastras.

Like Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu is a book by Rupa Goswami and it is a

bhakti-smrti-sastra. So why can't Prabhupada books be bhakti-smrti-sastra?

Why are we debating so much on this? Why is it being said that it is

Mayavada to call Prabhupada words as sastra? That means that Lord Caitanya

is mayavadi because he called the books which were going to be written by

the six Goswamis as sastras.

 

Another evidence:

 

Room Conversation, with Sanskrit Professor, Dr. Suneson,

September 5, 1973, Stockholm

 

"Especially Narottama dasa Thakura's songs, they have been approved by

Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura as Vedic evidences. Although it is written in

Bengali, they are full of Vedic authority."

 

KK prabhu writes

> > Practically, if you accept that a pure devotee's words are shastra, then

> > the ritviks have a strong case. (And they are not the only example,

> > there are other groups who do the same.)

 

This is complete nonsense. We accept the words & the books based on the

Vedic literature of the pure devotees (along with the Puranas etc.) as smrti

sastras and the Vedas as the sruti sastras. Rtvikism is a deviation because

of misinterpretation of the words of the pure devotee not because of

accepting Prabhupada words as sastras. This is a total misconception. One

can cross the ocean of nescience & can never get deviated simply by

accepting the words of the pure devotees as it is (because they are

bhakti-smrti-sastras) even if one cannot study any other sastras.

 

Your servant,

Nayana-ranjana das

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At 6:55 -0800 10/6/99, COM: Nayana-ranjana (das) (BBT Bombay - IN) wrote:

>

>It is clearly evident that KK prabhu who is fighting for the gurus to be

>respected as good as God,

 

Is this what KK is saying? I never got that impression. KK could you

please correct me if I'm wrong?

 

>is insulting HH Trivikrama Swami (a guru himself)

>by indirectly calling him a Mayavadi.

 

I must really be losing my ability to read. I didn't see any insult

either. KK is actually one of the few people with whom I have *major*

differences but whose style I respect. (GHQ fans, please don't fall off

your chairs).

 

At least that's how things are looking from this computer screen.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

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> >is insulting HH Trivikrama Swami (a guru himself)

> >by indirectly calling him a Mayavadi.

>

> I must really be losing my ability to read. I didn't see any

> insult either. KK is actually one of the few people with whom

> I have *major* differences but whose style I respect. (GHQ

> fans, please don't fall off your chairs).

>

> At least that's how things are looking from this computer

> screen.

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

I also perceived that Krishna Kirti Prabhu was trying to be as

respectful as possible while engaging in a somewhat intense

philosophical discussion with a senior sannyasi. It seems KK's

'intent' is to make a 'philosophical point' rather than to

insult anyone. Perhaps in rushing out some texts he left himself

open for interpretation.

 

On the whole though the discussion was healthy in that it

clarified the points from both sides on a particular aspect of

guru tattva enabling readers to make a more authoritative

decision. siddhanta boliya citte ..... philosophical discussion

strengthens the mind... ...sudrida manas. It is recommended in

C.C.

 

It would be a shame to discourage such a discussion on the basis

of a possible unintentional infringement of etiquette.

 

ys

 

ada

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> > >is insulting HH Trivikrama Swami (a guru himself)

> > >by indirectly calling him a Mayavadi.

> >

> > I must really be losing my ability to read. I didn't see any

> > insult either. KK is actually one of the few people with whom

> > I have *major* differences but whose style I respect. (GHQ

> > fans, please don't fall off your chairs).

> >

> > At least that's how things are looking from this computer

> > screen.

> >

> > Ys,

> > Madhusudani dasi

>

> I also perceived that Krishna Kirti Prabhu was trying to be as

> respectful as possible while engaging in a somewhat intense

> philosophical discussion with a senior sannyasi. It seems KK's

> 'intent' is to make a 'philosophical point' rather than to

> insult anyone. Perhaps in rushing out some texts he left himself

> open for interpretation.

>

> On the whole though the discussion was healthy in that it

> clarified the points from both sides on a particular aspect of

> guru tattva enabling readers to make a more authoritative

> decision. siddhanta boliya citte ..... philosophical discussion

> strengthens the mind... ...sudrida manas. It is recommended in

> C.C.

>

> It would be a shame to discourage such a discussion on the basis

> of a possible unintentional infringement of etiquette.

>

> ys

>

> ada

 

I agree.

 

Your servant

Trivikram Swami