Diksa and Siksa gurus CAN have disciples who are more advanced then.

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>> This is where the difference lies between the realization of the various

>> grades of devotees, gurus, etc., is in the capacity of devotee. Take

>> Dhruva Maharaja's mother, for example. She is a simple woman, not

learned

>> in shastra, but her instruction was nonetheless perfect: "Only Lord

Vishnu

>> can help you, you must approach Lord Vishnu."

>

>Actually your example proves exactly the opposite of what you are going to

>prove. Suniti insrtructions on their own were not enough for Dhruva for

>God-realization because Suniti was not on the highest platform. She just

>showed the way. Dhruva had to take instructions from an uttama like Narada

>Muni to be able to see Lord Prsnigarbha face to face. Both Narada Muni &

>Suniti gave more or less the same instructions but the mantra from the lips

>of Narada Muni had the ultimate effect.

 

 

Ok, if it proves the opposite, then why does Srila Prabhupada describe

himself in an analagous situation?:

 

"The great associates of Vaikunthaloka, Nanda and Sunanda, could understand

the mind of Dhruva Maharaj, and thus they showed him that his mother,

Suniti, was going foward in another plane."

 

[purport] This incident that the siksa or diksa guru who has a disciple who

strongly executes devotional service like Dhruva Maharaj can be carried by

the disciple even thought the instructor is not as advanced. Although

Suniti was an instructor to Dhruva Majaraj, she could not go to the forest

because she was a woman, nor could she execute austerities and penances as

Dhruva Majaraj did. Still, Dhruva majaraj was abole to take his mother with

him. Similarly, Prahlada Majaraj also delivered his atheistic father,

hiranyakasipu. The conclusion is that a disciple or an offspring who is a

very strong devotee can carry with him to Vaikunthaloka either his father,

mother, or siksa or diksa-guru. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Srasvati Thakura used

to say, "If i could perfectly deliver even one soul back home, back to

Godhead, I would think my mission--propagating Krishna consciousness--to be

successful." The Krishna consciousness movement is spreading now all over

the world, and sometimes I think that even though I am crippled in many

ways, if one of my disciples becomes as strong ad Dhruva Maharaja, then he

will be able to carry me with him to Vaikunthaloka." (Srimad Bhagavatam

4.12.33 translation & purport)

 

You may say this only applies to Suniti, but Srila Prabhupada also offers

himself as an example. You may then say, "Of course that is absurd, how can

Srila Prabhupada be 'crippled', etc.?" Of course, he is not 'crippled', but

he is an acharya, and therefore he is teaching you by his example. And

remember, at the begining of the purport, Srila Prabhupada specifically

mentions both the siksa AND the DIKSA gurus who have disciples more advanced

than themselves.