Vyasadeva - Empowered jiva-tattva

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> >Another point the Vedas were written by Vyasadeva at the non-mature stage

> of

> >In the mature stage he wrote the Srimad Bhagavatam. And all the

> >acaryas have furthur elucidated on the Bhagavatam in much more detail. So

> >their works are the maturest fruit of the Vedic wisdom and is much more

> >sweeter than the Vedas without any doubt. If in Vyasadeva's works itself

> >there is the sweeter Bhagavatam and the not so sweet Vedas (as said by

> >Narada), then why can't the works of the Goswamis be the sweetest.

 

KK prabhu wrote:

 

> Your comparison is valid only if Vyasadev is a jiva:

>

> prabhu kahe vedanta sutra isvara vacana

> vyasa-rupe kaila yaha sri narayana

>

> "The Lord said:' Vedanta-sutra are the words of the Supreme Personality of

> Godhead, spoken in the form of Srila Vyasadev.'" (CC Adi Lila 7th chapter)

>

> Isvara vacana is very significant here. Of course, you may say that

> isvara is used to describe any living entity who is in the capacity of a

> controller, "tam isvaranam parama mahesvaram", but the statement

> "vyasa-rupe kaila yaha sri narayana" would confirm that the "isvara"

> spoken of in this verse is none other than "narayana", or paramesvara.

>

> In which case, your comparison is quite invalid.

 

Prabhu, my comparison is surely valid because Vyasadeva is an empowered

jiva-tattva. In saktyavesa avatara also there are two types: visnu-tattva

and empowered jiva-tattva. Vyasadeva falls in the category of empowered

jiva-tattva. Anyone can confirm this from sastra?

 

> vyasa-rupe kaila yaha sri narayana

 

Lord Narayana empowered Vyasa to act as the literary incarnation of God.

We understand that Vyasa was a jiva-tattva because he was sitting dejected

after composing the Vedas & Vedanta-sutra and Narada came & chastised him

that he has not written directly about the pastimes of the Supreme Lord. How

can Narada chastise Visnu-tattva? How can Visnu-tattva feel dejected?

 

So my comparison stands valid and thus it proves that books of the goswamis

and Srila Prabhupada are bhakti-smrti-sastras.

 

Your servant,

Nayana-ranjana das

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>Lord Narayana empowered Vyasa to act as the literary incarnation of God.

>We understand that Vyasa was a jiva-tattva because he was sitting dejected

>after composing the Vedas & Vedanta-sutra and Narada came & chastised him

>that he has not written directly about the pastimes of the Supreme Lord.

How

>can Narada chastise Visnu-tattva? How can Visnu-tattva feel dejected?

>

Because this is lila. Ultimately, if there were no existence of these

feelings within the Supreme, they could not manifest within the living

entities. When Lord Krishna and Vyasadev tried to pacify Yuddhisthira,

after the massacre of the Battle of Kuruksetra, Yuddhisthira Maharaj could

not be pacified. Does that mean Krishna or Vyasa were incapable? Srila

Prabhupada comments on this that it is Krishna's Lila to glorify his

devotee, Bhismadev, who, eventually, pacified Yuddhisthira.

 

Also, Lord Caitanya accepted Isvara Puri as His spiritual master, and we

also understand that there may have been some chastisement. Lord Caitanya

had spoken that His guru "Considered Him a fool." Also, Jagannath Misra

sometimes punished Lord Caitanya.

 

Sometimes the Lord exhibited fear:

 

gopy adade tvayi krtagasi dhama tavad

ya te dasasru kalilanjana sambramaksam

vakram niniya bhaya bhavanaya sthitasya

sa me vimohayati bhir api yad bhibeti

 

"When you committed an offense, Mother yasoda took up a rope to bind you,

and your eyes overflooded with tears, which washed the mascara from your

eyes. And You were afraid, though fear personified is afraid of you. This

sight is bewildering to me." (from Prayers of Queen Kunti)

 

So, the dejection of Vyasa is his lila. Otherwise, how can we consider his

shastra to be apurushaya, and, literally, without even material errors

(grammar, etc.)?

 

Your servant, Krishna-kirti das