Equal Rights-Using folio to discredit the Chairman of the GBC

[Guest guest]

Martya lok is the place of accountability and counting, math is absolute.

Consequently one rarely finds mercy in this prison house? The bodily

platform dictates a pecking order. In mundane terms one understands value by

measurement, so where is the possibility of equality. This is impermanent

knowledge.

 

However in spiritual life our Gaudiya principle of simultaneous oneness and

diversity is heralded. We are all qualitatively one with and quantitatively

different from the Supreme. As far as our eternal identity is concerned my

soul is one hundredth the size of the tip of a hair, what size is yours?

 

Krishna Seva Ki Jaya,

kusha devi dasi

Responding to this:

 

>The GBC will not tolerate...preferential treatment given

>to male devotees in any form.

>

>This is an official directive from the GBC Executive Committee.

>

>Your servant,

>Bir Krishna das Goswami

>Chairman-GBC

 

If I am understanding correctly, no "preferential treatment of male devotees

in any form" means "equal treatment of male and female devotees," or in

other words, "equal rights." But Srila Prabhupada had the following (and

much more of the same) to say about equal rights:

 

1. It will be failure. (Arrival Lecture: Philadelphia, 7/11/75)

2. Equal rights is nonsense. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

3. Equal rights is claimed by rascal Westerners. (Morning Walk: Ahmedabad,

9/25/75)

4. By equal rights women are killing their own child. (Letter: Ed Gilbert,

Vrindaban, 9/9/75)

5. I am not trying for equal rights. (Television Interview: Chicago, 7/9/75)

6. Rascals give equal rights. (Morning Walk: Los Angeles, 6/27/75)

7. If you want equal rights then stop giving birth to a child. (Morning Walk:

Perth, 5/75)

8. Why you are accepting this nonsense philosophy? (Morning Walk: Rome,

5/29/74)

9. The equal rights movement is a means by which men cheat the women. (SSR, 1)

10. This equal rights philosophy is very appealing [to] fools and rascal.

(Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

11. Equal rights is not allowed in the Vedic sastra. (Bg 16.7: Hawaii, 2/3/75)

12. Regardless of attempts for equality, unequality there must remain.

(Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

13. Equal rights is not Vedic idea. (SB 1.8.51: Los Angeles, 5/13/73)

14. It is not possible--it is not possible. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

15. Where is the benefit of equal rights? (Room Conversation after Press

Conference: Chicago, 7/9/75)

16. Equal rights will not help the human society. (B.F. Skinner & Henry

David Thoreau)

17. How she can be happy? That is not possible. (Bg Lecture: Ahmedabad,

12/8/72)

18. Equal rights is very grave problems. (SB 1.16.7: Los Angeles, 1/4/74)

19. You cannot make equality. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

20. That is not Vedic civilization. (SB 7.9.24: Mayapur, 3/2/76)

21. Do not artificially try to become equal with men. (Bg 16.7: Hawaii,

2/3/75)

22. There cannot be equality, sir. You are talking nonsense. (Morning Walk:

Rome, 5/29/74)

23. Equal rights is an artificial introduction to human society. (Bertrand

Russell)

24. Equal rights is rascaldom philosophy. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

25. It is already failure.(Arrival Lecture: Philadelphia, 7/11/75)

26. Equal rights is impossible (Cc. Adi. 17.44)

 

I humbly request anyone to kindly explain how this statement "The GBC will

not tolerate...preferential treatment given to male devotees in any form" is

in accord with the teachings of guru-sadhu-sastra.

 

Thank you very much.

 

--gkd

[Guest guest]

Subj: Fwd: Equal Rights-Using folio to discredit the Chairman of the GBC

Martya lok is the place of accountability and counting, math is absolute.

Consequently one rarely finds mercy in this prison house? The bodily

platform dictates a pecking order. In mundane terms one understands value by

measurement, so where is the possibility of equality. This is impermanent

knowledge.

 

However in spiritual life our Gaudiya principle of simultaneous oneness and

diversity is heralded. We are all qualitatively one with and quantitatively

different from the Supreme. Nectar of Devotion list spiritual qualities. As

far as our eternal identity is concerned my soul is one hundredth the size of

the tip of a hair, what size is yours? Whoops, I mean 1 ten thousands- the

size of a tip of a hair. Being a women-math was never my best subject. We

just have to laugh at all this.

 

Krishna Seva Ki Jaya,

kusha devi dasi

Responding to this:

 

>The GBC will not tolerate...preferential treatment given

>to male devotees in any form.

>

>This is an official directive from the GBC Executive Committee.

>

>Your servant,

>Bir Krishna das Goswami

>Chairman-GBC

 

If I am understanding correctly, no "preferential treatment of male devotees

in any form" means "equal treatment of male and female devotees," or in

other words, "equal rights." But Srila Prabhupada had the following (and

much more of the same) to say about equal rights:

 

1. It will be failure. (Arrival Lecture: Philadelphia, 7/11/75)

2. Equal rights is nonsense. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

3. Equal rights is claimed by rascal Westerners. (Morning Walk: Ahmedabad,

9/25/75)

4. By equal rights women are killing their own child. (Letter: Ed Gilbert,

Vrindaban, 9/9/75)

5. I am not trying for equal rights. (Television Interview: Chicago, 7/9/75)

6. Rascals give equal rights. (Morning Walk: Los Angeles, 6/27/75)

7. If you want equal rights then stop giving birth to a child. (Morning Walk:

Perth, 5/75)

8. Why you are accepting this nonsense philosophy? (Morning Walk: Rome,

5/29/74)

9. The equal rights movement is a means by which men cheat the women. (SSR,

1)

10. This equal rights philosophy is very appealing [to] fools and rascal.

(Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

11. Equal rights is not allowed in the Vedic sastra. (Bg 16.7: Hawaii,

2/3/75)

12. Regardless of attempts for equality, unequality there must remain.

(Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

13. Equal rights is not Vedic idea. (SB 1.8.51: Los Angeles, 5/13/73)

14. It is not possible--it is not possible. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

15. Where is the benefit of equal rights? (Room Conversation after Press

Conference: Chicago, 7/9/75)

16. Equal rights will not help the human society. (B.F. Skinner & Henry

David Thoreau)

17. How she can be happy? That is not possible. (Bg Lecture: Ahmedabad,

12/8/72)

18. Equal rights is very grave problems. (SB 1.16.7: Los Angeles, 1/4/74)

19. You cannot make equality. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

20. That is not Vedic civilization. (SB 7.9.24: Mayapur, 3/2/76)

21. Do not artificially try to become equal with men. (Bg 16.7: Hawaii,

2/3/75)

22. There cannot be equality, sir. You are talking nonsense. (Morning Walk:

Rome, 5/29/74)

23. Equal rights is an artificial introduction to human society. (Bertrand

Russell)

24. Equal rights is rascaldom philosophy. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

25. It is already failure.(Arrival Lecture: Philadelphia, 7/11/75)

26. Equal rights is impossible (Cc. Adi. 17.44)

 

I humbly request anyone to kindly explain how this statement "The GBC will

not tolerate...preferential treatment given to male devotees in any form" is

in accord with the teachings of guru-sadhu-sastra.

 

Thank you very much.

 

--gkd

 

>>

[Guest guest]

Hare Krsna:

 

Obiescances to the glorious Vaisnavas! Regardless of embodiment. One thing

is

for us to consider, I believe, according to what I percieve from Bhagavad-gita,

is

that the liberated souls must act such that a proper example is set for the

masses

of people.

For a liberated sannyasi, and a liberated soul in a female body to deal in

intimate ways may not amount to anything, personally, but what kind of example

is

that for those whose advancement back to the Lotus Feet of Krsna demands strict

adherance to basic principles leading to sattva-guna?

I may want this, or want that, but as Srila Prabhupada points out in

reference

to Arjuna's mental platform about fighting, he was seemingly not considering

what

would please "Govinda"....so much thinking what's good for me, or you, but

really,

our heart is meant to consider, what is good for Sri Krsna.

We are preachers in a preaching mission charged with the heavy

responsibility

to exemplify standards and precepts useful for the upliftment of the world.

"yad

yad acarati sresthas". This is our service. We are servants, and our service is

to

revive Krsna Consciousness throughout mankind, as far as possible.

On that note, whether a Vaisnavi should or should not dance two feet away

from

a sannyasi, or whether a sannyasi should pay attention to the needs and welfare

of

those in children and women bodies, our duty is to set an example good for

others.

 

Srila Prabhupada directly states in Nectar of Devotion "A liberated soul

should conduct themselves like a neophyte", although internally liberated.

I agree with Srimati Kusha devi that we are spiritually equal,but as we are

aquainted I know she also will agree that that is no license, or good reason to

act without due regard for ordinary bodily conventions, if only for the sake of

preaching, which is our specific SERVICE to Sri Sri Gandharvika-Giridhari on

the

shores of Sri Radha-kunda, effulgent and blossoming in delicious mellows of

ecstatic love beyond the mundane plane.

 

ys,

Dina Sharana dasa

 

"COM: Kusha (dd) ACBSP (Philadelphia, PA - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2772685 from COM]

>

> Martya lok is the place of accountability and counting, math is absolute.

> Consequently one rarely finds mercy in this prison house? The bodily

> platform dictates a pecking order. In mundane terms one understands value by

> measurement, so where is the possibility of equality. This is impermanent

> knowledge.

>

> However in spiritual life our Gaudiya principle of simultaneous oneness and

> diversity is heralded. We are all qualitatively one with and quantitatively

> different from the Supreme. As far as our eternal identity is concerned my

> soul is one hundredth the size of the tip of a hair, what size is yours?

>

> Krishna Seva Ki Jaya,

> kusha devi dasi

> Responding to this:

>

> >The GBC will not tolerate...preferential treatment given

> >to male devotees in any form.

> >

> >This is an official directive from the GBC Executive Committee.

> >

> >Your servant,

> >Bir Krishna das Goswami

> >Chairman-GBC

>

> If I am understanding correctly, no "preferential treatment of male devotees

> in any form" means "equal treatment of male and female devotees," or in

> other words, "equal rights." But Srila Prabhupada had the following (and

> much more of the same) to say about equal rights:

>

> 1. It will be failure. (Arrival Lecture: Philadelphia, 7/11/75)

> 2. Equal rights is nonsense. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

> 3. Equal rights is claimed by rascal Westerners. (Morning Walk: Ahmedabad,

> 9/25/75)

> 4. By equal rights women are killing their own child. (Letter: Ed Gilbert,

> Vrindaban, 9/9/75)

> 5. I am not trying for equal rights. (Television Interview: Chicago, 7/9/75)

> 6. Rascals give equal rights. (Morning Walk: Los Angeles, 6/27/75)

> 7. If you want equal rights then stop giving birth to a child. (Morning Walk:

> Perth, 5/75)

> 8. Why you are accepting this nonsense philosophy? (Morning Walk: Rome,

> 5/29/74)

> 9. The equal rights movement is a means by which men cheat the women. (SSR,

1)

> 10. This equal rights philosophy is very appealing [to] fools and rascal.

> (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

> 11. Equal rights is not allowed in the Vedic sastra. (Bg 16.7: Hawaii,

2/3/75)

> 12. Regardless of attempts for equality, unequality there must remain.

> (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

> 13. Equal rights is not Vedic idea. (SB 1.8.51: Los Angeles, 5/13/73)

> 14. It is not possible--it is not possible. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

> 15. Where is the benefit of equal rights? (Room Conversation after Press

> Conference: Chicago, 7/9/75)

> 16. Equal rights will not help the human society. (B.F. Skinner & Henry

> David Thoreau)

> 17. How she can be happy? That is not possible. (Bg Lecture: Ahmedabad,

> 12/8/72)

> 18. Equal rights is very grave problems. (SB 1.16.7: Los Angeles, 1/4/74)

> 19. You cannot make equality. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

> 20. That is not Vedic civilization. (SB 7.9.24: Mayapur, 3/2/76)

> 21. Do not artificially try to become equal with men. (Bg 16.7: Hawaii,

> 2/3/75)

> 22. There cannot be equality, sir. You are talking nonsense. (Morning Walk:

> Rome, 5/29/74)

> 23. Equal rights is an artificial introduction to human society. (Bertrand

> Russell)

> 24. Equal rights is rascaldom philosophy. (Morning Walk: Rome, 5/29/74)

> 25. It is already failure.(Arrival Lecture: Philadelphia, 7/11/75)

> 26. Equal rights is impossible (Cc. Adi. 17.44)

>

> I humbly request anyone to kindly explain how this statement "The GBC will

> not tolerate...preferential treatment given to male devotees in any form" is

> in accord with the teachings of guru-sadhu-sastra.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> --gkd