Guest guest Posted November 18, 1999 Report Share Posted November 18, 1999 Tue, 19 Oct 99 11:41 +0200 "COM: Dhyanakunda (dd) KKD (NE-BBT, Almvik - S)" <Dhyanakunda.KKD (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Topical Discussions <topical.discussions (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Contradictions in Prabhupada's words? - 2 EXAMPLE 1. HOW MANY SYLLABLES DOES THIS MANTRA HAVE? SB 2.7.8 purp. Prince Dhruva was initiated by Narada into chanting the hymn composed of eighteen letters, namely om namo bhagavate vasudevaya, SB 4.8.58 purp. One can meditate upon offering and chant the twelve-syllable mantra, om namo bhagavate vasudevaya. SB 6.8.7 verse translation: Then one should chant the mantra composed of twelve syllables [om namo bhagavate vasudevaya]. --------------------- EXAMPLE 2. HOW MANY YUGAS ARE THERE IN ONE MANU'S LIFE? SB 3.22.35 purp: seventy-one of such yugas is the duration of the life of a Manu, SB 2.7.37 purp: In the duration of life of one Manu there are more than seventy-two Kali-yugas, -------------------- EXAMPLE 3. WAS BALARAMA WITH THE BOYS IN THE PASTIME OF KILLING AGHASURA? SB 10.13.28 purp: Even Balarama did not know that all the calves and cowherd boys were expansions of Krsna or that He Himself was also an expansion of Krsna. (Dhkdd: Context makes it clear Balarama is there with all others.) KB 12: Desiring to swallow all the boys at once, including Krsna and Balarama, he sat on the path. SB 10.13.40 purp: On the day when Lord Brahma had first come [Dhkdd: this is the day when Aghasura was killed], Baladeva could not go with Krsna and the cowherd boys, for it was His birthday, and His mother had kept Him back for the proper ceremonial bath, called santika-snana. Therefore Lord Baladeva was not taken by Brahma at that time. --------------------- EXAMPLE 4. MARRIAGE SB 7.12.11 purp: A brahmana generally remains a brahmacari throughout his entire life, but although some brahmanas become grhasthas and indulge in sex life, they do so under the complete control of the spiritual master. (Dhkdd: This implies only a minority of all brahmanas marry. It also implies that, as grhasthas, they remain under constant control of their gurus.) SB 7.15 summary Among the brahmanas, some are householders and are mostly attached to fruitive activities or the betterment of social conditions. Above them, however, are brahmanas who are very much attracted by austerities and penances and who retire from family life. They are known as vanaprasthas. (Dhkdd: In this general description the brahmana community SP mentions attached grhasthas and vanaprasthas. He disregards the naisthika brahmacaris, who seemed to comprise the bulk of brahmanas in the quote above. This is not a logically absolute contradiction, but it does create confusion. A very common problem in SP's writings, mostly stemming from overgeneralization.) Mayapur, March 18, 1976 760318SB.MAY Here especially the ksatriyas, they marry many wives. There is purpose also. The ksatriyas are allowed in this way. Why? Because ksatriyas are...Generally they are king. They have got money to maintain many wives. They can do it. And they eat also very first-class vitaminous food also, so they have energy. Even our Krsna, He also married as a ksatriya so many wives. So, not like Krsna or any other, but everyone wants to keep more than one wife. Everyone wants. That is his heart's desire. And if one is able actually, he keeps. (Dhkdd: Does everyone -- meaning all men -- in this conference want to keep more than one wife?) ------------------------- EXAMPLE 5. HOW MANY VERSES DOES THE 2ND CHAPER OF THE 2ND CANTO HAVE? "...regarding the purport, 2nd paragraph to Bhagavatam 2.2.38, it is clear. Do not try to change anything." (letter to Gopiparanadhana, 28 Sep.1976) (Dhkdd: verse 2.2.38 does not exist.) ------------------------ EXAMPLE 6. ARE ALL GRHASTHAS KARMIS? IF MARRIAGE IS NOT ALLOWED TO A BRAHMACARI, IS IT SO THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN BRAHMACARIS BECOME GRHASTHAS? DOES A BRAHMACARI BECOME A KARMI WHEN HE MARRIES? Morning Walk, March 19, 1976 Mayapura According to Vedic civilization, marriage is allowed to the karmis. It is not that marriage allowed to the sannyasi or brahmacari. The karmis require sex. Therefore.... Why marriage is allowed to the grhastha? Why not to the brahmacari, vanaprastha or sannyasi? Why it is not recommended? Because the karmis require that enlivenment. Therefore they are allowed to marry. So in the European civilization it is only karmis. ----------------------- EXAMPLE 6. IS THE WHOLE WORLD FULL OF GIRL CHILDREN (STATISTICS)? The whole world is full of girls, girl children. Why? There is no potency. Potency finished. Or impotent. And if you keep one boy brahmacari, no sex life, and get him married, the first child must be a boy, must be, without any doubt. (morning walk, March 19th, 1976 Mayapura) (Dhkdd: Jagannatha Misra, Lord Caitanya's father, had eight daughters before he got his two sons. He must have had lots of illicit sex before, or...? Kardama had nine daughters before he got his son. How about Prabhupada's own father? in Bhakti Caru Maharaja's film it looks like Prabhupada has many elder sisters but no brothers.) I want to share one more example. It comes in the next text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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