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contradictions in Prabhupada's writings? - 3

 

I have singled out this example since it's a different kind of

contradiction. Not a logical one but rather psychological. Prabhupada first

exhibits a very negative attitude toward one Richard, and a few sentences

later, he becomes quite positive about him and sees good qualities in him.

What has changed?

 

This kind is what bothers me, personally, perhaps more than the simpler

kinds. I just have a big problem trusting persons who label others so

easily and so unpredictably.

 

 

(garden conversation, Sept. 6, 1976 Vrndavan)

 

Prabhupada: Let them chant whatever. We shall chant like this,

Panca-tattva-sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda sri-advaita gadadhara

srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. I've explained that. Five features of Lord

Caitanya.

 

Aksayananda: He chants that mantra on his beads.

 

Prabhupada: Who?

 

Aksayananda: That boy Richard in Radha-kunda.

 

Prabhupada: Rascal. That is his bad association. Therefore I say don't

follow these so-called Radha-kunda babajis. Nara-kunda babaji. And they

smoke bidi. I have seen. Richard is still there?

 

Aksayananda: Yes. He's in very bad health.

 

Prabhupada: But he has got money. Spending money there?

 

Aksayananda: I haven't been there for a long time, but I just heard about.

 

Prabhupada: No, he has got money. How he is spending?

 

Harikesa: He has hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

Prabhupada: Where it is?

 

Harikesa: Probably in New York.

 

Prabhupada: So he does not bring that?

 

Harikesa: Yes, he has money all the time.

 

Aksayananda: Dhananjaya prabhu, he went to see him and he said he was

dying. He's supposed to pass off. And he said that he had written a will

and on the will he had left most of his money to ISKCON.

 

Prabhupada: Accha?

 

Caranaravindam: He loves you very much. Actually, he's very attracted to

you Srila Prabhupada.

 

Prabhupada: Oh. Why does he not come to us? He likes Radha-kunda.

 

Caranaravindam: He loves Radha-kunda.

 

Prabhupada: Determination. No, if he's in difficulty he may come. We can

take care of him.

 

........................................................................

 

Another things that bothers me is that Srila Prabhupada is always so sure

of himself. He is fully confident in his own judgment. He is fully

confident that the world is full of girls, that in certain places all

people are rascals, that "Bad things means Western type of civilization,"

etc. Very strong, super simple black-and-white general statements. Where

ordinary people would soften their statements by saying, "as far as I

know,I am convinced that,to some degree,in this respect,from my

experience,most probably,at present it looks like..." etc., Srila

Prabhupada passes absolute judgemnts, and he is not even consistent in them.

 

I am ready to believe the source of his certainty is direct link with

Krsna's absolute knowledge, *if* it can be proven he was absolutely right

each time.

 

Up till then, I will rather suppose Prabhupada's absolute self-confidence

was a feature of his own individual character.

 

Ys Dhkdd

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Judge for yourself 3

 

Dear mataji Dhyanakunda,

Hare Krsna.

 

By observing your comments and statements and likewise by observing your

oppinions and assertions, I came to the conclusion that you have serious

problem in your spiritual life. Please allow me to comment on your

assertions.

 

 

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Tue, 19 Oct 99 11:41 +0200

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contradictions in Prabhupada's writings? - 3

 

I have singled out this example since it's a different kind of

contradiction. Not a logical one but rather psychological. Prabhupada first

exhibits a very negative attitude toward one Richard, and a few sentences

later, he becomes quite positive about him and sees good qualities in him.

What has changed?

 

This kind is what bothers me, personally, perhaps more than the simpler

kinds. I just have a big problem trusting persons who label others so

easily and so unpredictably.

 

 

(garden conversation, Sept. 6, 1976 Vrndavan)

 

Prabhupada: Let them chant whatever. We shall chant like this,

Panca-tattva-sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda sri-advaita gadadhara

srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. I've explained that. Five features of Lord

Caitanya.

 

Aksayananda: He chants that mantra on his beads.

 

Prabhupada: Who?

 

Aksayananda: That boy Richard in Radha-kunda.

 

Prabhupada: Rascal. That is his bad association. Therefore I say don't

follow these so-called Radha-kunda babajis. Nara-kunda babaji. And they

smoke bidi. I have seen. Richard is still there?

 

Aksayananda: Yes. He's in very bad health.

 

Prabhupada: But he has got money. Spending money there?

 

Aksayananda: I haven't been there for a long time, but I just heard about.

 

Prabhupada: No, he has got money. How he is spending?

 

Harikesa: He has hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

Prabhupada: Where it is?

 

Harikesa: Probably in New York.

 

Prabhupada: So he does not bring that?

 

Harikesa: Yes, he has money all the time.

 

Aksayananda: Dhananjaya prabhu, he went to see him and he said he was

dying. He's supposed to pass off. And he said that he had written a will

and on the will he had left most of his money to ISKCON.

 

Prabhupada: Accha?

 

Caranaravindam: He loves you very much. Actually, he's very attracted to

you Srila Prabhupada.

 

Prabhupada: Oh. Why does he not come to us? He likes Radha-kunda.

 

Caranaravindam: He loves Radha-kunda.

 

Prabhupada: Determination. No, if he's in difficulty he may come. We can

take care of him.

 

It is more than obious here that Srila Prabhupada exhibits his wonderful

quality of mercy. Even if he's said that this boy is a rascal, he again

gives him a chance to come to Krsna's shelter. Srila Prabhupada also does

not display such a drastical change in oppinion as you are saying.I indeed

don't see what's so contradictory in these statements of Srila Prabhupada.

Just remember that we were living crazy life before too, but it by the

mercy of Srila Prabhupada that we got the chance to serve Lord Krsna. I

also heard that sometimes when his disciples would misbehave, he would call

them various, not so pleasent names. But that would not undermine his love

for them, nor would it display that he was partial or that he would do such

a thing from his own whims. Therefore these statements that you cited are

more than clear and there is nothing wrong in them.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Your servant Maha Caitanya das

 

........................................................................

 

Another things that bothers me is that Srila Prabhupada is always so sure

of himself. He is fully confident in his own judgment. He is fully

confident that the world is full of girls, that in certain places all

people are rascals, that "Bad things means Western type of civilization,"

etc. Very strong, super simple black-and-white general statements. Where

ordinary people would soften their statements by saying, "as far as I

know,I am convinced that,to some degree,in this respect,from my

experience,most probably,at present it looks like..." etc., Srila

Prabhupada passes absolute judgemnts, and he is not even consistent in

them.

 

I am ready to believe the source of his certainty is direct link with

Krsna's absolute knowledge, *if* it can be proven he was absolutely right

each time.

 

Up till then, I will rather suppose Prabhupada's absolute self-confidence

was a feature of his own individual character.

 

Ys Dhkdd

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Reading the offensive statement of this Dhyanakunda dasi, I am surprised

that even her spiritual master has not disowned her. I wonder what kind of

spiritual masters or authorities we have this days. No wander ritviks are

getting more powerful, and or many devotees flocking to Gaudiya Math. We

have a serious sickness in our Iskcon movement. Our leader's attempt to

accomodate the feminists in ISKCOn is causing all these offensive mentality

towards our founder acarya.