Guest guest Posted November 19, 1999 Report Share Posted November 19, 1999 > > >Of all the texts that I read on this topic till now, this is the only > > >one > > that convinces me of its credibility.> > > > > Really? Including Vipramukhya Maharaja's? > > > > I thought it was odd that Nayana-ranjana prabhu first said that he > > wtched the events, and later in his text said that "This is what I was > > told by Vaisnava prabhu." Which one was it? > > > > Also, in his text, he admits that "the devotees in the human > > chain got upset and pushed & shoved back" > > > > but also that there was no "manhandling". > > > > I find it shocking that anyone pushed anyone else away from the deities > > in front of both the deities and Srila Prabhupada. If that's not > > "manhandling" I don't know what is. > > > > The whole thing is just sad. I hope they'll take Braja Bihari Prabhu's > > excellent advice and sit down with a skilled facilitator for some > > mediation, > > Yes, I agree, the whole thing is sad. Instead of being protected our > ladies were "pushed and shoved", but in all fairness it is difficult to > protect those who defy the duly appointed authorities and opt to take the > law into their own hand. > > Ys TS I for one agree here with the observations of Trivikram Maharaj. dasabhas, Basu Ghosh Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 1999 Report Share Posted November 20, 1999 > In a message dated 11/17/99 3:53:40 PM Central Standard Time, > Babhru.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se writes: > > << Perhaps we should all put our computers away and get together for > congregational chanting of the holy names of Krishna, the only way to > overcome Kali's influence. > >> > But we may end up arguing about how the kirtan should be done. This one was smart! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 1999 Report Share Posted November 20, 1999 > In a message dated 11/17/99 3:53:40 PM Central Standard Time, > Babhru.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se writes: > > << Perhaps we should all put our computers away and get together for > congregational chanting of the holy names of Krishna, the only way to > overcome Kali's influence. > >> > But we may end up arguing about how the kirtan should be done. Worse than that, we may end up asrguing over who sits where and who leads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 1999 Report Share Posted November 20, 1999 (I meant to send this a couple of days ago. I just discovered in in my Out box, still unsent. I apologize if it seems not to connect with the thread as it exists today.) I appreciate Mahaman prabhu's posting the temple management's perspective on these events. However, I doubt that we'll ever know just what happened in any "objective" sense. This is likely to develop a resemblance to the four mutually exclusive versions of the crime portrayed in Kurosawa's film "Rashomon." I doubt there will much acomplished by constant rehashing of different observers' (and non-observers', it seems) versions of the incidents in question, except the reverberation of much (virtual) sound and fury. And this, unfortunately, is just what the internet is good at, especially with cross-posting to the extent we see here. Many of us will shout and flame, reinforcing our (and our "allies'") sense of self-righteousness (and I refer here not one one or another side, but to all) and increasing the volume (in every sense) of different varieties of vaishnava aparadha. Many of us will find this a very interesting cycle to engage in; others will realize quickly that they already have a full plate to work on with their sadhana and practical engagements. We are in danger of falling prey ot what linguist Deborah Tannen has called an "argument culture" to an exent that threatens to render ISKCON irrelevant. In the early '70s, according to two devotees whowere there, the San Francisco temple was being ripped apart by incessant quarrel among the devotees. When several wrote to Srila Prabhupada to complain about the others, he wrote back instructing that al the devotees close the temple and go out on the streets for sankirtan (this was when "sankirtan" meant congregational chanting with book distribution) all day. The devotees did so, and after a few days, all the contentiousness evaporated. The devotees had a hard time remembering what all the trouble was about. I heard this story from two devotees who were there, Keshava and Srikanta, who told it to me on separate occasions, independently of each other. Even if we can't prove it's true in any objective sense, it makes great lore. Perhaps, following Howard Beale in Sidney Lumet's film "Network," I should shout, Turn your computers off! Turn them off right now! Turn them off right in the middle of reading this sentence! Turn them . . . Your servant, Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 1999 Report Share Posted November 21, 1999 >I appreciate Mahaman prabhu's posting the temple management's perspective >on these events. However, I doubt that we'll ever know just what happened >in any "objective" sense. There is a reply to this at http://www.ghqd.org/articles/observe.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 1999 Report Share Posted November 21, 1999 At 08:01 AM 11/21/99 -0500, Christopher Shannon wrote: >[Text 2796274 from COM] > >>I appreciate Mahaman prabhu's posting the temple management's perspective >>on these events. However, I doubt that we'll ever know just what happened >>in any "objective" sense. > >There is a reply to this at http://www.ghqd.org/articles/observe.htm This is no real reply, but an anonymous dismissal of any perpective different from that of the writer, who hasn't the strenght of conviction to sign his or her name. And regarding "Network," he got it all wrong. (Yes, I know the film well; I'm an Eglish professor who uses the film in some of my classes to try to get students to question television's place in American culture. I have, unfortunately, see the film dozens of times.) When Beale tells his viewers to turn the TV off, he is on top in the ratings. The reason he tells them to turn the TV off is that it's a waste og time because they'll never find any truth there. That is the point of my previous posting. All this virtual sond and fury simply distracts too many devotees from useful engagement. Your servant, Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 1999 Report Share Posted November 22, 1999 At 15:25 -0800 11/21/99, COM: Babhru (das) ACBSP (San Diego - USA) wrote: > >This is no real reply, but an anonymous dismissal of any perpective >different from that of the writer, who hasn't the strenght of conviction to >sign his or her name. Are you surprised? Didn't you noticed the letters 'ghq" in the URL? They're just trying to generate hits. Very predictable. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 At 08:01 AM 11/21/99 -0500, Christopher Shannon wrote: >[Text 2796274 from COM] > >>I appreciate Mahaman prabhu's posting the temple management's perspective >>on these events. However, I doubt that we'll ever know just what happened >>in any "objective" sense. > >There is a reply to this at http://www.ghqd.org/articles/observe.htm This is no real reply, but an anonymous dismissal of any perpective different from that of the writer, who hasn't the strenght of conviction to sign his or her name. And regarding "Network," he got it all wrong. (Yes, I know the film well; I'm an Eglish professor who uses the film in some of my classes to try to get students to question television's place in American culture. I have, unfortunately, see the film dozens of times.) When Beale tells his viewers to turn the TV off, he is on top in the ratings. The reason he tells them to turn the TV off is that it's a waste og time because they'll never find any truth there. That is the point of my previous posting. All this virtual sond and fury simply distracts too many devotees from useful engagement. Your servant, Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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