The Mercy of Mother Saraswati

[Guest guest]

>

> So Isvara Prabhu... kindly continue your valuable "critique" of the bogus

> feministic ideas which are indeed entering like poison within ISKCON.

 

What is amusing to me is to find neither Isvara prabhu nor Basu Ghosh

prabhu having defined a single "bogus feministic idea" in Anantarupa's

text (that triggered Isvara to "rise up"), nor even in the particular

thread. Yet the first one is vigorously fighting "the bogus feministic

ideas", and the second one is encouraging him to keep this good work.

It seems like one couldn't anymore discuss even which potato is better

for baking in the oven, without having some "anti-feminism activists"

getting on the back for promoting the poisonous bogus feministic ideas

within ISCKON. Is it some case of a strange paranoia, or maybe

just the performance of "Don Kihote" in ISCKON style? Perhaps we'll

never get to know the answer...

 

Now, just imagine what could happen if some *women* would be asking

for *equal share* of the space in front of Krsna's *altar*! May God

only help them to get away with it (not with the space, but the

demand).

 

 

 

- Mahanidhi d.

[Guest guest]

Dear Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis

PAMHO, AGTSP!

 

Could anyone please explain what do you mean by feminism in our movement. As

far as I remember, Srila Prabhupada stated that feminism was invented by man

intending to abuse women. So, what kind of feminism we are talking about?

 

Your servant,

Rasa Rasika dasi

COM: Bhagavata-purana das (Galicia - E)

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Sent: 02 December, 1999 09:35

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(Vrindavana - IN); Maria Ekstrand; WWW: Pancha Tattva Dasa (Alachua FL -

USA); COM: DMW (Dharma of Men and Women); COM: India (Continental Committee)

Open (Forum); COM: Varnasrama development

Subject: The Mercy of Mother Saraswati

 

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> Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada. Thank

> you for your short rebuke. Actually I did not mean to

insult her. It is

> just the tone of her message that are very much in line of

Madhusudani

> Radha that prompted me to write that. Judging from the

contents of that

> text, it looks she is on the borderline of loosing faith

in Krishna

> consciousness or Vedic culture. Feminist issue in our

movement is a big

> cancer that needs to be taking very seriously. This issue

is leading to

> the blaspheming of Srila Prabhupada and the erosion of

faith in Vedic

> culture, by all these devotee feminists. It is unfortunate

that our

> leaders are not doing anything about it or are even

supportive of it. Bir

> Krishna Maharaja, the GBC chairman was very quick in

passing jugdement on

> Vrindavana incident but did nothing about the blaspheming

of Srila

> Prabhupada being portrayed by the ISKCON devotee

feminists. Our mainly

> Western leaders are very eager to protect the women and

give them equal

> rights, but not so eager about protection and preservation

of the Vedic

> culture as taught to us by Srila Prabhupada?

 

If we can close the mouth of half of the population in the

world by default,

it remains only the other fifty percent for us to be in

control.

 

Then, it´s obvious all non Indian non Vedic are not to the

level, so they

also should remain silent by default. Only a ten percent of

the world

remains for us to control.

 

But even in India and vedic culture, it´s obvious that we

Isckonites plus

some very few individuals from other groups who very soon

will join us, are

the only people really following the authentic vedic path.

We can say

without fear of mistake that we are, by default, called to

dominate with our

superior view the 99.9999999 of the people of the world.

They also must

remain silent by default.

 

Consider that even in ISKCON, openminded as it is right now,

there are many

deviant persons, non brahminical, non vedic and profeminist.

Actually, they

don´t deserve the glory that Krsna has reserved to us, His

real devotees,

the ones selected by him to save the world.

 

Pity they keep saying we are a sect or that we live in a

bubble of illusion.

 

Ys.

-Bhpud.

[Guest guest]

"COM: Rasa Rasika (dd) IDS (Sarajevo - BiH)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2824673 from COM]

>

> Dear Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis

> PAMHO, AGTSP!

>

> Could anyone please explain what do you mean by feminism in our movement. As

> far as I remember, Srila Prabhupada stated that feminism was invented by man

> intending to abuse women. So, what kind of feminism we are talking about?

>

> Your servant,

> Rasa Rasika dasi

 

Just see, an intelligent question.

 

The feminism of the late 60s and early 70s that Srila Prabhupada was exposed to

was largely percieved to be of sexual liberation, with abortion and free sex

promenient features. That is the type of feminisn Srila Prabhupada was

refering

to. Equal opportunity in the workplace is another thing, equally access to

Krsna another.

 

The feminism Srila Prabhupada generated all those quotes over has little

relevance to what is going on in ISKCON.

 

(Sorry, boys, I'm back)

[Guest guest]

Hare Krsna,

Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. I

don't like to get involved too much in all this stuff, but this statement

below, that what caused Srila Prabhuapda to verbalize comments about women's

liberation has nothing to do with what is going on in ISKCON, is very very

short-sighted and, from my perspective, totally wrong. Did you know,

Madhava Gosh prabhu, that there has been, at least once (I have no doubt

that it's happened since) an abortion AUTHORIZED by a temple commander ( in

New York, 1978-1980) because he got a young lady pregnant, then decided he

wasn't going to marry her? That man is my husband's cousin......I will say

no more to reveal his identity......but we should not be so naive and stupid

to think that women being unchaste, giving up their shyness, being without

faith to ONE husband (or one protector.....granted, not every women will be

married, due to so many diverse situations) does not lead to their being

exploited on every level.

One can argue back and forth, about the position of women, should they

be allowed to be acarya's, do everything men do, etc. But the

recommendations of the scriptures are they.....if we keep them as

guidelines, that is best....that is not to say that guidelines are never

transgressed....but for the most part they have to be carefully observed.

I notice a topic of discussion, "The GHQ want women acarya's"......the very

word "acarya" comes from the Vedas. Are they looking to mold their

acarya's after the pages of the vedas, women such as Gandhari, Draupadi,

Mata Kunti? Otherwise, as I see it, the very concept of the word "acarya"

is destroyed. Well, I have to keep this short. Hare Krsna.

Mahalakmsi Dasi

-

COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)

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Thursday, December 02, 1999 6:49 AM

Re: The Mercy of Mother Saraswati

 

 

> [Text 2830651 from COM]

>

>

>

> "COM: Rasa Rasika (dd) IDS (Sarajevo - BiH)" wrote:

>

> > [Text 2824673 from COM]

> >

> > Dear Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis

> > PAMHO, AGTSP!

> >

> > Could anyone please explain what do you mean by feminism in our

movement. As

> > far as I remember, Srila Prabhupada stated that feminism was invented by

man

> > intending to abuse women. So, what kind of feminism we are talking

about?

> >

> > Your servant,

> > Rasa Rasika dasi

>

> Just see, an intelligent question.

>

> The feminism of the late 60s and early 70s that Srila Prabhupada was

exposed to

> was largely percieved to be of sexual liberation, with abortion and free

sex

> promenient features. That is the type of feminisn Srila Prabhupada was

> refering

> to. Equal opportunity in the workplace is another thing, equally access

to

> Krsna another.

>

> The feminism Srila Prabhupada generated all those quotes over has little

> relevance to what is going on in ISKCON.

>

> (Sorry, boys, I'm back)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Madhava Gosh Prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP!

 

Thank you very much for your kind reply.

Your servant,

Rasa Rasika dasi

 

COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)

[Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se]

Sent: 02 December, 1999 15:49

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(Continental Committee) Open (Forum); COM: Varnasrama development; COM: Basu

Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)

Subject: Re: The Mercy of Mother Saraswati

 

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"COM: Rasa Rasika (dd) IDS (Sarajevo - BiH)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2824673 from COM]

>

> Dear Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis

> PAMHO, AGTSP!

>

> Could anyone please explain what do you mean by feminism

in our movement. As

> far as I remember, Srila Prabhupada stated that feminism

was invented by man

> intending to abuse women. So, what kind of feminism we are

talking about?

>

> Your servant,

> Rasa Rasika dasi

 

Just see, an intelligent question.

 

The feminism of the late 60s and early 70s that Srila

Prabhupada was exposed to

was largely percieved to be of sexual liberation, with

abortion and free sex

promenient features. That is the type of feminisn Srila

Prabhupada was

refering

to. Equal opportunity in the workplace is another thing,

equally access to

Krsna another.

 

The feminism Srila Prabhupada generated all those quotes

over has little

relevance to what is going on in ISKCON.

 

(Sorry, boys, I'm back)