Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 > Did Prabhupada ever designate a woman as anything other than a servant of > her husband? > > ys. JMd O boy, you better haven,t asked that...you may not like the answer from Srila Prabhupada. Letter from 29.7.1975 to Cyavana Swami in Nairobi "My dear Cyavana Swami" "I have very much been disturbed of the difficulties in Africa. As the leader there you should not have allowed this dissension to take place. Shakti mati is an elderly woman and can do important work with the cultured Indian society, and she also speaks Swahili. SHE MUST BE GIVEN AN IMPORTANT POSITION AS A MANAGER. She can work under Brahmanada Swami. They may have had some disagreement with you but.. expert management means to engage ALL of the devotees and not allow them to split into different parties." Nice greetings to GHQ. yours Harsi das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 At 6:26 PM +0100 12/7/99, COM: Harsi (das) HKS (Timisoara - RO) wrote: >[Text 2838749 from COM] > >> Did Prabhupada ever designate a woman as anything other than a servant of >> her husband? >> >> ys. JMd > >O boy, you better haven,t asked that...you may not like the answer from >Srila Prabhupada. > >Letter from 29.7.1975 to Cyavana Swami in Nairobi > >"My dear Cyavana Swami" > >"I have very much been disturbed of the difficulties in Africa. As the >leader there you should not have allowed this dissension to take place. >Shakti mati is an elderly woman and can do important work with the cultured >Indian society, and she also speaks Swahili. >SHE MUST BE GIVEN AN IMPORTANT POSITION AS A MANAGER. She can work under >Brahmanada Swami. They may have had some disagreement with you but.. >expert management means to engage ALL of the devotees and not allow them to >split into different parties." > >Nice greetings to GHQ. > >yours >Harsi das I suggest you check what kind of "IMPORTANT POSITION AS A MANAGER" Shakti mati was given. Check back with us when you do. ys. JMd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 > > Yes, I am speaking about ladies in the WEST ISKCON managing. They are > > head pujaris, they are head cooks, they are in the boards. > > Examples: Ganga devi, unmarried, head pujari and head cook (Their > > Lordships Sri Sri Gandharvika-Giridhari), Sriprada dd, unmarried, head > > pujari and head cook (Their Lordships Sri Sri Panca-tattva), Savitri dd, > > married, (her husband is not managing) the chief and the executive of > > the management board here in Gothenburg, has her own shop by the side > > too. Almvik board (half of the members men, half women). I don't know > > which kind of universe you are living in, but I am in this one. > > Your statement that they can't do it, doesn't stop them doing it. I > > gave you the examples. They are over here and they are doing it, no > > matter what you say. > Who put them in those positions? Harikesa? > > Ys, Sdd > I suggest you check what kind of "IMPORTANT POSITION AS A MANAGER" Shakti > mati was given. Check back with us when you do. > > ys. JMd Thats what I found: Letter from Srila Prabhupada 4.9.1975 Vrndavan, to Cyavana Swami in Nairobi. "My dear Cyavana Swami Please accept my blessings I am in due receipt of your letter dated 14.8.1975 with enclosed copy of letter to Shakti Mati. So it is good that Shakti Mati is again living in the temple. Keep here nicely. She is woman, so you call her Mother, as soon as you call her Mother, that I am so fallen please save me, you are so great, than she will be very pleased. She is very talented and she can be organizing the Pujari Dept. You say that the devotees are not enthusiastic, but this is important for spiritual life. Without Deity, than we are just sleeping and eating, and again they will return to hippie life. They must take care of the Deity very carefully. I saw once a film of the Deity instalation there, it was done very nicely, so why are they now slackening? Shakti Mati can teach others how to do things. They should assist her." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 At 9:51 PM +0100 12/7/99, COM: Harsi (das) HKS (Timisoara - RO) wrote: >[Text 2839275 from COM] >Letter from Srila Prabhupada 4.9.1975 Vrndavan, to Cyavana Swami in Nairobi. > > "My dear Cyavana Swami > > Please accept my blessings > I am in due receipt of your letter dated 14.8.1975 with enclosed copy of >letter to Shakti Mati. So it is good that Shakti Mati is again living in >the temple. Keep here nicely. She is woman, so you call her Mother, as soon >as you call her Mother, that I am so fallen please save me, you are so >great, than she will be very pleased. She is very talented and she can be >organizing the Pujari Dept. > You say that the devotees are not enthusiastic, but this is important for >spiritual life. Without Deity, than we are just sleeping and eating, and >again they will return to hippie life. They must take care of the Deity >very carefully. I saw once a film of the Deity instalation there, it was >done very nicely, so why are they now slackening? Shakti Mati can teach >others how to do things. They should assist her." So Prabhu, "the "IMPORTANT POSITION AS A MANAGER" Shakti mati was given was to organize the Pujari Dept. and teach others the same. This is an example of what Prabhupada calls *internal* management. Similarly, Jadurani headed up the Art department. There are probably other examples of women in charge of the kitchen. But TP and GBC are examples of *external* management. ys. Sita dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 In a message dated 12/7/99 1:40:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, btb (AT) georgian (DOT) net writes: << So Prabhu, "the "IMPORTANT POSITION AS A MANAGER" Shakti mati was given was to organize the Pujari Dept. and teach others the same. This is an example of what Prabhupada calls *internal* management. Similarly, Jadurani headed up the Art department. There are probably other examples of women in charge of the kitchen. But TP and GBC are examples of *external* management. ys. Sita dd >> Excuse my ignorance, but did Srila Prabhupada ever use these terms, internal and external management? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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